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No. 4. (and 5., 6. ...) = possible other concepts/projects. List is open.
 

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I'm not quite sure about the benefits. It lowers the silhouette, ok, but doesn't it use up more
internal volume, than a turnable launcher, so reducing overall versatality of the vehicle ?
 

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4. NetFires (early Future Combat Systems vision)
5. ?
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Jemiba, no turnable (more than 1-missile) launcher = lighter vehicle. Also quicker reaction on enemy vehicles spaced around (simultaneous attack).
 

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Jemiba said:
I'm not quite sure about the benefits. It lowers the silhouette, ok, but doesn't it use up more
internal volume, than a turnable launcher, so reducing overall versatality of the vehicle ?
Plus with US Army going to fewer soldiers you have an excess of vehicles with 'empty' back ends and no soldiers to fill them. Why not add vertical launch cells. Seems like a creative and efficient use for left over Bradley's, etc.
 

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bobbymike said:
Jemiba said:
I'm not quite sure about the benefits. It lowers the silhouette, ok, but doesn't it use up more
internal volume, than a turnable launcher, so reducing overall versatality of the vehicle ?
Plus with US Army going to fewer soldiers you have an excess of vehicles with 'empty' back ends and no soldiers to fill them. Why not add vertical launch cells. Seems like a creative and efficient use for left over Bradley's, etc.
A Striker/Bradley with a back end full of antitank-sized "Quick Kill" missiles. . .
 

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Vertical launch tubes are much better protected than external launchers.
 

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sferrin said:
bobbymike said:
Jemiba said:
I'm not quite sure about the benefits. It lowers the silhouette, ok, but doesn't it use up more
internal volume, than a turnable launcher, so reducing overall versatality of the vehicle ?
Plus with US Army going to fewer soldiers you have an excess of vehicles with 'empty' back ends and no soldiers to fill them. Why not add vertical launch cells. Seems like a creative and efficient use for left over Bradley's, etc.
A Striker/Bradley with a back end full of antitank-sized "Quick Kill" missiles. . .
Especially if those missiles far 'outgun' the main gun of MBT.

I could imagine in the future where an enemy brigade on the other side of a ridgeline is being watched and targeted by a Fire Scout UAV, maybe even a high flying stealthy ISR platform (or similar system) that sends data back to a bunch of Strikers loaded with 10+ ATGMs. Minutes later a soldier in that brigade says, "Hey what are all those contrails coming over the ridgeline?"

Kind of like this ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM
 

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sferrin said:
AdKEM (From AIAA 92-2761)
1400 GEEEEEEESSSS!!! Awesome I love rocket tech. IMHO there seems to be so many solid rocket missile tech applications that the US could use to increase under armed platform firepower.
 

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bobbymike said:
sferrin said:
AdKEM (From AIAA 92-2761)
1400 GEEEEEEESSSS!!! Awesome I love rocket tech. IMHO there seems to be so many solid rocket missile tech applications that the US could use to increase under armed platform firepower.
1400 Gs "axial acceleration". I think that means rolling acceleration as the missile rotates around it's axis. It has +50 Gs vertical and horizontal acceleration which is more than adequate.
 

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Axial acceleration refers to acceleration along the long axis of the projectile; if they meant rotation, they'd have said angular acceleration. The stated acceleration from near rest to Mach 6 (roughly 2000 m/sec) in 0.4 seconds implies an average acceleration during the motor burn of around 500 g. Peak acceleration might well be much higher.
 

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eshelon said:
5. M113+FOG-M (source: Popular Mechanics July 1985)
Regarding FOG-M, a brief history of the system in case study format can be found here (pdf pages 55-73).
 

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moin1900 said:
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Aero-Detroit Inc. MBT-70 concepts ?
http://www.mmowg.net/adi-usa-unpublished-old-tank-concepts/

MBT-70 concepts Turret and Casemate
http://yuripasholok.livejournal.com/5394455.html?page=1
Second link.
 

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This is how I kind of expected the BAe Merlin mortar bomb to be deployed in preloaded tubes on the back of an afv.
 

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Another advantage of smart munitions is that you can use them for top-attack. Most AFVs have thin roofs ... much easier to penetrate than glacier plates.

As for the suggestion about multiple sub-munitions ... that is what you fire against infantry.
OTOH multiple top-attack, sub-munitions make it impossible to dig-in towed artillery. Even if the gun is well dig-in, stored ammo is still at risk from light (40mm) explosives.
 

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With regards as to FOG-M (h/t RLBH):
RLBH said:
Colonial-Marine said:
Wasn't the HMMWV Avenger was the "light" component of FAADS-LOS?
The notional divisional FAADS battalion seems to have had three 'heavy' batteries with one platoon of six FOG-M launchers and two platoons of six ADATS Bradleys, one battery to accompany each brigade in the forward area, and one 'light' battery with three platoons of twelve Avengers for rear area defence.

Alongside that, there was to have been a divisional anti-tank battalion with 36 FOG-M launchers which could carry out air defence fires as a secondary mission. When this was being discussed, the FOG-M launcher for the heavy division looks to have had twelve cells on an MLRS-based chassis.
 

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1. FOG (missile) Heavy on MLRS chassis (Ligth was on Humvee).
source: Field Artillery December 1989
2. Missile-in-a-Box (NETFIRES) module for SEP (Splitterskyddad EnhetsPlattform).
3. BAE tank concept.
 

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Israel's vehicle-mounted Spike NLOS is about as close as we have come to it IRL. While it is not VL, it can fire at unseen targets as it's FO guided with a imaging seeker in the nose.

The only "Tank" that it is in (IIRC) is the modded M60 Pereh.


 

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This is how I kind of expected the BAe Merlin mortar bomb to be deployed in preloaded tubes on the back of an afv.
It's kind of strange how BAe Merlin just seems to have faded away.....
Is Merlin still even in the British Army inventory?

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The only "Tank" that it is in (IIRC) is the modded M60 Pereh.
AFAIK, the Pereh missile launchers were all based on Magach 5 hulls, ie M48, not M60.

And yes,the main gun was dummy, to help the Pereh look like the other then-in-service Magachim.
 
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