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Soviet road-mobile ICBM and TEL projects

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As requested by styx...

The MAZ-7906 and MAZ-7907 were 16x16 and 24x24 wheeled chassis respectively, intended as TELs for the "Tselina-2" road-mobile variant of the SS-24 ICBM. The MAZ-7906 from 1984 had a diesel engine and the MAZ-7907 from 1985 a 1,200 hp gas turbine with electric transmission. Eventually neither was put into production.
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
 

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sferrin said:
If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
Did so already when you posted it. However, the pics are so small its difficult to make out the vehicle configuration.

Here's one more Soviet giant: the MAZ-7904 12x12 chassis had a load capacity of 220 tonnes and total mass of 360 tonnes. Built in 1982, it was tested at Baikonur for use as a TEL. Unfortunately I have no idea what missile it was intended for.
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

Meteorit said:
sferrin said:
If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
Did so already when you posted it. However, the pics are so small its difficult to make out the vehicle configuration.
Yeah, that's a bummer. Supposedly had tires 8 feet tall and topped out at 750 tons.
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

Meteorit said:
sferrin said:
If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
Did so already when you posted it. However, the pics are so small its difficult to make out the vehicle configuration.

Here's one more Soviet giant: the MAZ-7904 12x12 chassis had a load capacity of 220 tonnes and total mass of 360 tonnes. Built in 1982, it was tested at Baikonur for use as a TEL. Unfortunately I have no idea what missile it was intended for.
So do you know of any book or website that lists all the MAZ trucks developed over the years? It would certainly make for some interesting reading.


(edit. Found this site but it's kinda slow and I don't read Russian. http://denisovets.narod.ru/maz/mazpages/maz7904.html )
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

sferrin said:
So do you know of any book or website that lists all the MAZ trucks developed over the years? It would certainly make for some interesting reading.

(edit. Found this site but it's kinda slow and I don't read Russian. http://denisovets.narod.ru/maz/mazpages/maz7904.html )
I don't think a complete list exists, at least in the web. There are several pages listing vehicles, but then they also lack some.

However, here's my own, very incomplete, list around certain "blocks".

MAZ-500 4x2 Truck with platform 1964
MAZ-501 4x2 Log transporter 1953
MAZ-502 4x4 Cross-country truck with platform
MAZ-503 4x2 Dump-truck 1970
MAZ-504V 4x2 Tractor truck 1970
MAZ-505 4x4 Cross-country truck with platform
MAZ-525 4x2 Dump-truck 1952
MAZ-528 4x4 Truck with platform
MAZ-529 4x4 Motorscraper
MAZ-530 6x4 Dump-truck 1957
MAZ-532 ?x? Log transporter
MAZ-535A 8x8 Heavy cross-country truck with platform
MAZ-535V 8x8 Heavy cross-country tractor truck
MAZ-537A 8x8 Heavy cross-country truck with platform
MAZ-537V/G/D/E/K 8x8 Heavy cross-country tractor truck
MAZ-538 4x4 Heavy tractor truck
MAZ-543 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis SS-1, SS-12, SSC-3, SSC-4
MAZ-547 10x10 Cross-country wheeled chassis 196? Prototype
MAZ-547A 12x10 Cross-country wheeled chassis 197? Temp-2S, Pioner
MAZ-547V 12x10 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1974 Pioner
MAZ-547E 12x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 198? 800 hp gas turbine with electric transmission

MAZ-7310 8x8 Heavy cross-country truck with platform (MAZ-543)198?
MAZ-7311 8x8 'ballast tractor' (MAZ-543) 1970
MAZ-7410 8x8 Heavy cross-country tractor truck (MAZ-543) 1970
MZKT-7413 8x8 Cross-country tractor truck 198?
MZKT-7414 8x8 Cross-country tractor truck 1988
MZKT-7429 8x8 Cross-country tractor truck "Volat" 199?

MAZ-7904 12x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1982 Load capacity 220 t, total mass 360 t, tested at Baikonur
MAZ-7905 12x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 198? Improved MAZ-547V
MAZ-7906 16x16 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1984 Tselina-2, diesel engine
MAZ-7907 24x24 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1985 Tselina-2, 1,200 hp gas turbine with electric transmission
MAZ-7908 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1986 Skorost
MAZ-7909 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1987 Kurier
MAZ-7910 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis 198? S-300?, pipe transport
MAZ-7911 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis "Oplot" 1970 ?
MAZ-7912 14x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 198? Topol
MAZ-7916 12x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1986 Pioner-3
MAZ-7917 14x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 198? Topol
MAZ-7919 12x12 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1988 Civilian?
MZKT-7922 16x16 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1995 Topol-M
MZKT-7923 16x16 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1995 Electric transmission
MAZ-7929 10x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1988 Kurier
MZKT-7930 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis "Astrolog" 199? Iskander, 96L6, TMM-6
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

I'm pretty sure the S-300P uses the MAZ-543 chassis.
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

Hmmm I have difficulties to see if this thread is about road mbile ICBMs or the trucks to carry them...
can I add the GNOM air augmented ICBM of 1965 ? :-\

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/gnom.htm
 

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http://vb.kg/tech/istoriia-boevyh-raket-kb-ujnoe-mejkontinentalnye-tverdotoplivnye-rakety-chast-2.html

Sorry don't know how to translate but some great pictures
 

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Sorry don't know how to translate but some pictures
Translation: Google Translate and a dose of imagination

Pictures: excellent and comprehensive. Many thanks for sharing it.
 

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Getting a 404 on that link, unfortunately.
 

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A couple of posts from another thread:

Missileer said:
Does anybody have photos or drawings of the Soviet "Kuryer" (Courier) ICBM? I've seen many short descriptions of the missile - the USSR's counterpart to the US Small ICBM (SICBM) or "Midgetman." I've even seen photos that were claimed to be the TEL chassis (a 4-axle TEL similar to that used for the CSSC-X-4 GLCM). Never seen the missile itself though. Any help out there?
flateric said:
Courier (RSS-40 /SS-X-26) was a direct answer to MGM-134A Midgetman plans, and became the smallest ICBM not only in USSR arsenal, but in the world. It could be transported inside any railroad vagon, even Sovavtotrans trucks (Sovavtotrans was an international truck transport monopoly in USSR, often used for GRU intel missions in Europe), barges and many transport aircrafts.

http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/popup/vs/?item_id=3230
EDIT: From Meteorit's list above (I'm assuming that Kuryer and Kurier are the same missile, apologies If I am wrong):
Meteorit said:
MAZ-7909 8x8 Cross-country wheeled chassis 1987 Kurier
EDIT 2: It looks like they were two separate projects after all (a bit of deliberate misdirection on the part of the Soviets?).
 

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From the other thread:

"Kurier
Years: 1981-1991
Bilateral Designation: RSS-40
DoD Designation: SS-X-26
Designer: MITT
Lenght:
Diameter:
Launch Weight: 15,000 kg
Warhead: 500 kg nuclear
Propulsion: Three-stage solid-propellant rocket
Guidance: Inertial
Maximum Range: 11,000 km
CEP:
Launch Vehicle
Designation: MAZ-7909/MAZ-7929
Weight: ?/60,000 kg
Load Capacity: 27,500/35,000 kg
Engine: YaMZ-8424.10 420 hp diesel
Crew: 3/3
The development of the Kurier small ICBM began at MITT in 1981 under the management of A.D. Nadiradze, replaced in 1987 by B.N. Lagutin. The draft design was finalized in 1984, and the system was approved for development. According to some sources the missile was first tested in 1986, whereas other sources claim that major system components were tested separately, and flight tests were to begin 1992. In any case the program was cancelled on 6 October 1991. The missile was launched from its launch container with a solid-propellant gas generator. The prototype of the MAZ-7909 8x8 wheeled chassis was built in 1987, and that of the MAZ-7929 10x8 wheeled chassis in 1988."
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

Meteorit said:
sferrin said:
If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
Did so already when you posted it. However, the pics are so small its difficult to make out the vehicle configuration.

Here's one more Soviet giant: the MAZ-7904 12x12 chassis had a load capacity of 220 tonnes and total mass of 360 tonnes. Built in 1982, it was tested at Baikonur for use as a TEL. Unfortunately I have no idea what missile it was intended for.
The RS-28 Sarmat weighs 220 tonnes according to Wikipedia. That's not of the same era but I'm speculating that the RS-28's concept is not as new as we assume it to be.

There's also mention of a "Celina" missile complex in this article on the MAZ-7904.

https://www.trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.php?id=2444

EDIT: It seems that Soviet "heavy" ICBMs (R-36 series) in general are in the 200-ton range, so this reinforces my belief that the MAZ-7904 is some sort of heavy ICBM TEL.

Also, I found these things on the Peacekeeper TEL.

https://youtu.be/44zytG8O40w?t=134

https://i.imgur.com/sfbm4xL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XNM6uye.jpg

It appears that the prototype's rear end is just another truck in reverse, kinda like the "Atomic Annie" guns. The graphics depicting the missile's deployment look entirely different though, something more like the Soviet TELs. Moreover, there appear to be two types of vehicle - one blue and one gray. ???
 

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Re: Soviet road-mobile ICBM projects

GWrecks said:
Meteorit said:
sferrin said:
If you haven't already you'll want to check out the vehicle they considered moving Peacekeeper around with in the other thread.
Did so already when you posted it. However, the pics are so small its difficult to make out the vehicle configuration.

Here's one more Soviet giant: the MAZ-7904 12x12 chassis had a load capacity of 220 tonnes and total mass of 360 tonnes. Built in 1982, it was tested at Baikonur for use as a TEL. Unfortunately I have no idea what missile it was intended for.
The RS-28 Sarmat weighs 220 tonnes according to Wikipedia. That's not of the same era but I'm speculating that the RS-28's concept is not as new as we assume it to be.

There's also mention of a "Celina" missile complex in this article on the MAZ-7904.

https://www.trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.php?id=2444

EDIT: It seems that Soviet "heavy" ICBMs (R-36 series) in general are in the 200-ton range, so this reinforces my belief that the MAZ-7904 is some sort of heavy ICBM TEL.

Also, I found these things on the Peacekeeper TEL.

https://youtu.be/44zytG8O40w?t=134

https://i.imgur.com/sfbm4xL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XNM6uye.jpg

It appears that the prototype's rear end is just another truck in reverse, kinda like the "Atomic Annie" guns. The graphics depicting the missile's deployment look entirely different though, something more like the Soviet TELs. Moreover, there appear to be two types of vehicle - one blue and one gray. ???
Some more MX stuff here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1063.0.html

Re. the transporter, it was apparently built by Terex, "Terex 8x4 model 33-11".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB_95GLW4VM
 

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I highly doubt the russians will make Sarmat mobile, due to the high cost of the TEL, both procurement and upkeep, as well as lack of stealth, cost of making a mobile version, and the fact that it's a very fast missile once launched, and can be fired off rapidly, decreasing the disadvantage of silo basing vs mobile. Kopye-R is a mobile ICBM project with liquid fuel, cancelled in favor of Kuryer. If anyone has pics, please show me. The other mobiles (Kuryer, Midgetman, Temp 2S, Peacekeeper Rail Garrison, Topol and variants, and Molodets) are quite easy to hind illustrations of. Many thanks in advance!
 
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