The CR series seem to post date the 1960 cruiser but predate the GW series. They have been mentioned a few times but other than they existed, they had guns and they had armor I don't know anything else about them. Can any of you shed some light on them or point me in the direction of where I can find out more?
Royal Navy CR series Gun Cruiser
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These designs are mentioned in Norman Friedman's British Cruisers book.
The CR series or as in the papers called New Design Armoured Cruisers are a large number of indeed gun armed cruiser designs with a majority from 1951. At least 17 proposals were made but as usual Friedman does not states all 17 variants.
I will try to collect my data in this post:
The 1951 series:
Design CR 1
also called the Large Cruiser Design, accordign to Friedman this seems to be the developed form of the 1948 Large Cruiser
Dimensions: 195,6 (wl) x 22,6 x 7m
Displacement: 14.500tons (standard), 17.350tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines likely Parsons, 3 shafts
Range: 14.000km
Speed: 57km/h (31knots)
Armour: 102mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
4x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
6x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
4x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 2
also called the New Armoured Cruiser
Dimensions: 198,12 (wl) x 21,34 x 7,92m
Displacement: 16.000tons (standard), 19.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 16.700km
Speed: Unknown
Armour: 102mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
4x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
4x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 3
from these number these were called New Design Armoured Cruisers
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 10.500tons (standard), 13.500tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 16.700km
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
4x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 4
Dimensions: 190,5 (wl) x 21,34m
Displacement: 13.000tons (standard), 16.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 11.000km
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: 76mm Belt, 51mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
3x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 5
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
4x1 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 6
Dimensions: 160 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 7
Dimensions: 163,37 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 8
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 9
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 10
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: 25mm Belt, 25mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 11
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 12
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 13
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
The 1952 series:
Design CR 14
Dimensions: 170,7 (wl)
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 58km/h (31,5knots)
Armour: 64mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 15
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
The 1953/54 series:
Design CR 17
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 22,56 x 6,1m
Displacement: 11.000tons (standard), 14.000tons (full load)
Engines: 75.000shp COSAG - English Electric Y100 Steam Turbines & probably Metrovick G6 Gas Turbines, 2 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 58km/h (31,5knots)
Armour: 76mm Belt, 51mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
The CR series or as in the papers called New Design Armoured Cruisers are a large number of indeed gun armed cruiser designs with a majority from 1951. At least 17 proposals were made but as usual Friedman does not states all 17 variants.
I will try to collect my data in this post:
The 1951 series:
Design CR 1
also called the Large Cruiser Design, accordign to Friedman this seems to be the developed form of the 1948 Large Cruiser
Dimensions: 195,6 (wl) x 22,6 x 7m
Displacement: 14.500tons (standard), 17.350tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines likely Parsons, 3 shafts
Range: 14.000km
Speed: 57km/h (31knots)
Armour: 102mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
4x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
6x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
4x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 2
also called the New Armoured Cruiser
Dimensions: 198,12 (wl) x 21,34 x 7,92m
Displacement: 16.000tons (standard), 19.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 16.700km
Speed: Unknown
Armour: 102mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
4x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
4x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 3
from these number these were called New Design Armoured Cruisers
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 10.500tons (standard), 13.500tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 16.700km
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
4x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 4
Dimensions: 190,5 (wl) x 21,34m
Displacement: 13.000tons (standard), 16.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: 11.000km
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: 76mm Belt, 51mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
3x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 5
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
4x1 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 6
Dimensions: 160 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 7
Dimensions: 163,37 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 7.000tons (standard), 10.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 8
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 9
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 120.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 4 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 10
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: 25mm Belt, 25mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 11
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 19,81m
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 12
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 13
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
The 1952 series:
Design CR 14
Dimensions: 170,7 (wl)
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: 90.000shp Steam Turbines, English Electric Y100, 3 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 58km/h (31,5knots)
Armour: 64mm Belt, 38mm Deck
Armaments:
2x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
Design CR 15
Dimensions: Unknown
Displacement: 9.000tons (standard), 12.000tons (full load)
Engines: Unknown
Range: Unknown
Speed: Unknown
Armour: Unknown
Armaments:
3x2 5"/56 (127mm/56) QF Mark N2 Guns,
2x2 3"/70 (76mm/70) QF Mark N1 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
The 1953/54 series:
Design CR 17
Dimensions: 182,88 (wl) x 22,56 x 6,1m
Displacement: 11.000tons (standard), 14.000tons (full load)
Engines: 75.000shp COSAG - English Electric Y100 Steam Turbines & probably Metrovick G6 Gas Turbines, 2 shafts
Range: Unknown
Speed: 58km/h (31,5knots)
Armour: 76mm Belt, 51mm Deck
Armaments:
3x2 6"/50 (152mm/50) QF Mark N5 Guns,
4x2 40mm/70 OQF Mark XI AA Guns
2x4 533mm Torpedo tubes
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From a purely selfish point of view - I REALLY hope that you can produce some of your superb drawings to illustrate these designs.
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