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Instrumented test rounds are already in inventory, AGM-158 is already an integrated store on the OAS, the Sniper pylon is already wired with all the connections to make everything talk, not to mention 5075 is a test birds so there's probably plenty of orange wire in that pylon. Finally, pretty sure the old ALCM dual pylons are long gone and most certainly not compatible with a -1760 interface.
 

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Instrumented test rounds are already in inventory, AGM-158 is already an integrated store on the OAS, the Sniper pylon is already wired with all the connections to make everything talk, not to mention 5075 is a test birds so there's probably plenty of orange wire in that pylon. Finally, pretty sure the old ALCM dual pylons are long gone and most certainly not compatible with a -1760 interface.

The ALCMs were never carried externally on the B-1B due to the START-1 treaty with Russia in the early 1980s. Though the capability was there should the need arise, but it never was.
 

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Instrumented test rounds are already in inventory, AGM-158 is already an integrated store on the OAS, the Sniper pylon is already wired with all the connections to make everything talk, not to mention 5075 is a test birds so there's probably plenty of orange wire in that pylon. Finally, pretty sure the old ALCM dual pylons are long gone and most certainly not compatible with a -1760 interface.

The ALCMs were never carried externally on the B-1B due to the START-1 treaty with Russia in the early 1980s. Though the capability was there should the need arise, but it never was.
Still need to build new pylons though.
 

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Instrumented test rounds are already in inventory, AGM-158 is already an integrated store on the OAS, the Sniper pylon is already wired with all the connections to make everything talk, not to mention 5075 is a test birds so there's probably plenty of orange wire in that pylon. Finally, pretty sure the old ALCM dual pylons are long gone and most certainly not compatible with a -1760 interface.

The ALCMs were never carried externally on the B-1B due to the START-1 treaty with Russia in the early 1980s. Though the capability was there should the need arise, but it never was.
Well aware of this, back in 2004/2005 I escorted the Russian START inspection team on their inspection of Dyess. They verified the pylons were disabled by, "A process equivalent to welding," and that the bulkheads were in the center location in the forward bay.

The black boxes to operate ALCM were never procured and other systems are now in that space, so the Bone never could use them, but got some nice souvenirs from the Russian Colonel for the lost weekend. They always seemed to pick the weekend of Taste of Abilene for the Dyess inspection...
 

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It seems unlikely to me that the money can be found to refurbish the pylon capability. Look how long it took to get around to the CONNECT upgrade on the B-52s, and that I assume is a much easier process since it is an internal, centralized bay rather a half dozen different connections to the outside of the aircraft. I also wonder what the range and ceiling restrictions would be if you loaded two dozen AGM-158s on the inside and then started dragging down the airframe with external stores on top of that (presuming you only load external stores when the inside is full).
 

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It seems unlikely to me that the money can be found to refurbish the pylon capability. Look how long it took to get around to the CONNECT upgrade on the B-52s, and that I assume is a much easier process since it is an internal, centralized bay rather a half dozen different connections to the outside of the aircraft. I also wonder what the range and ceiling restrictions would be if you loaded two dozen AGM-158s on the inside and then started dragging down the airframe with external stores on top of that (presuming you only load external stores when the inside is full).
Exactly, I worked CONNECT in the 2005-8 timeframe and remember sending 0036 to Wichita for modification, but that was cockpit displays and data links. That said, you are also correct that -1760 in the bay was a proposal during that same timeframe. The Bone community was definitely better at lobbying and getting their upgrades, but my hunch is B-21's would be on the ramp at EL by the time any new pylon got there...
 

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I thought the 1760 upgrade was part of CONNECT; my mistake.
No worries because CONNECT was linked to SOJ, it's easy to get all those programs mixed up, the latter relied on the former to work. That was another case where the Bone got their data links before the BUFF got theirs...
 

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Never knew, that a prototype of the Rockwell B-1A Lancer had a retractable FLIR turret. o_O:cool:
View: https://twitter.com/clemente3000/status/1352084159536226306?

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Here's an - albeit low resolution - photo from the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives of the Electro-Optical Viewing System (EVS) turret posted at Flickr.
https://flic.kr/p/7WACzT View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4555988269/sizes/o/
 

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Never knew, that a prototype of the Rockwell B-1A Lancer had a retractable FLIR turret. o_O:cool:
View: https://twitter.com/clemente3000/status/1352084159536226306?

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https://flic.kr/p/7WACzT View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4555988269/sizes/o/
Why they removed it for the sniper-XR though, such a shame
 

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The B-1B was supposed to be a low cost interim bomber to be built relatively quickly, so they cut a lot of corners that they probably really shouldn't have. Regarding the decision to procure the Sniper-XR pod itself in the 2000s (not solely for the B-1 fleet it should be noted), from the late '80s up until around the late 2000s, podded sensor, Electronic Warfare, and other such systems for combat aircraft were popular, at least among the bean counters, because it was believed they would be less expensive to procure, and more economical to maintain in the long term, than having organic sensor, EW, etc. suites integrated into every front line aircraft. It was also thought that systems could be easily moved around between different aircraft, meaning only a few pods would need to be purchased overall (of course, the proponents of podded systems tended to forget about little things like combat attrition). Needless to say, things didn't quite work out the way they thought they would.
 

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Why they removed it for the sniper-XR though, such a shame

It was never installed in the first place, this is more like the 1970's AN/ASQ-151 system installed on the G&H model than Sniper which is more for low level navigation than targeting. Completely different than Sniper.
 

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The B-1B was supposed to be a low cost interim bomber to be built relatively quickly, so they cut a lot of corners that they probably really shouldn't have. Regarding the decision to procure the Sniper-XR pod itself in the 2000s (not solely for the B-1 fleet it should be noted), from the late '80s up until around the late 2000s, podded sensor, Electronic Warfare, and other such systems for combat aircraft were popular, at least among the bean counters, because it was believed they would be less expensive to procure, and more economical to maintain in the long term, than having organic sensor, EW, etc. suites integrated into every front line aircraft. It was also thought that systems could be easily moved around between different aircraft, meaning only a few pods would need to be purchased overall (of course, the proponents of podded systems tended to forget about little things like combat attrition). Needless to say, things didn't quite work out the way they thought they would.

Pods are almost as old as LGB's, the big step up with LANTIRN was podding the TFR, but nothing we didn't already know... Sniper was the next gen TGP side of the original LANTIRN. The Bone got Sniper in 2007 because half the time they were called to provide CAS they couldn't drop due to lack of secondary confirmation. Sniper fixed that and allowed it to lase for LGB's. I was part of the test accel and got to play with the flight hardware in the SIL, it was pretty good kit.
 

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Quick question - why did they swap sides on the Sniper pylon mounting? (The Sniper & pylon were mounted on the left side of the fwd weapons bay on the test install on a/c 075 and on the right side on the production installation.)
 

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Quick question - why did they swap sides on the Sniper pylon mounting? (The Sniper & pylon were mounted on the left side of the fwd weapons bay on the test install on a/c 075 and on the right side on the production installation.)

You're guess is as good as mine. It was always on the right side when I was around, off course it's been over 13 years since I was around, so things change.
 

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Heh. I'd read about the self-darkening ports like. .. back in the 80s but hadn't seen anything about them since then. They're like the auto-darken welding hoods you can get. Speaking of long-forgotten details (to me) does the B-1B have the button on the back of the nose gear that the crew can hit on their way to the cockpit that starts all four engines?
 

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I think the B-2 was originally designed with same. I’d love to know if the it was retained, though since the B-1 was denuclearized I can’t imagine the capability was maintained.
 

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I think the B-2 was originally designed with same. I’d love to know if the it was retained, though since the B-1 was denuclearized I can’t imagine the capability was maintained.
 

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Heh. I'd read about the self-darkening ports like. .. back in the 80s but hadn't seen anything about them since then. They're like the auto-darken welding hoods you can get. Speaking of long-forgotten details (to me) does the B-1B have the button on the back of the nose gear that the crew can hit on their way to the cockpit that starts all four engines?
It was still there 16 years ago, but never used.
 

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