European MGCS ( Main Ground Combat System)

The idea of a family of main armoured vehicles has not gone too well for the Russians but the Germans may have more luck.
If France, Germany and Italy make a successful family of vehicles the UK should buy them off the shelf.
 
uk 75 said:
The idea of a family of main armoured vehicles has not gone too well for the Russians but the Germans may have more luck.
If France, Germany and Italy make a successful family of vehicles the UK should buy them off the shelf.
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The UK should rebuild its AFV industry. It won't be able to make good procurement decisions without sufficient institutional knowledge, and that can only come from in-house development.
 
A Tentative Fleet Plan said:
The UK should rebuild its AFV industry. It won't be able to make good procurement decisions without sufficient institutional knowledge, and that can only come from in-house development.
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This is a sensible and centrist position. But sadly it is heresy to current Orthodoxy of UK politics.
 
GTX said:
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France and Germany Agree to Develop New MGCS Tank to Replace Leopard & Leclerc MBTs | Defense News March 2024 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2024 | Archive News year

France and Germany Agree to Develop New MGCS Tank to Replace Leopard & Leclerc MBTs
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They already have two of the best Tanks in the World, if they work together, i can only imagine what they could accomplish, i wish them good luck.
 
One significant advantage of the new calibers is that they allow a longer penetrator. 120mm are basically maxed out, the only way to get longer penetrators is a new caliber.

jsport said:
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Main Ground Combat System (MGCS): A Status Report

In 2018, France and Germany agreed to jointly develop a successor to their respective main battle tanks (MBTs), the Leclerc and the Leopard 2.
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Notional MGCS family of combat and support vehicles. (Photo: Hensoldt=
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Notional composition of a multi-vehicle MGCS team. (Photo: BMVg)
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Notional composition of a multi-vehicle MGCS team. (Photo: BMVg/German MoD)
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Am I understanding this correctly? One classic tank as HQ. 3 vehicles on smaller tracked chassis, with two of those vehicles optionally manned and one unmanned entirely? Or is it 3 vehicles on the same chassis as the tank with only the unmanned loitering munition launcher on a lighter chassis?

In terms of weapons, 2 tank guns, one hypervelocity ATGM launcher, and one loitering munition/artillery rocket platform?
 
Scott Kenny said:
One significant advantage of the new calibers is that they allow a longer penetrator. 120mm are basically maxed out, the only way to get longer penetrators is a new caliber.

In terms of weapons, 2 tank guns, one hypervelocity ATGM launcher, and one loitering munition/artillery rocket platform?
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Folks will believe a MGCS story when they see a prototype emerge.
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Personal impression: Is this a TOG II?

Practically meme requirements suitable for the war before the last war, right at when RMA is still a novel idea to be hedged.
 
shin_getter said:
Personal impression: Is this a TOG II?

Practically meme requirements suitable for the war before the last war, right at when RMA is still a novel idea to be hedged.
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Could be, but I don't believe so.

IIRC from a Chieftain video, the idea with MGCS is that you can't make a reasonably sized tank with all the different bits you need to be competitive today. Hence a vehicle carrying HV-ATGMs, a vehicle carrying a whole hive of loitering munitions, and two vehicles carrying the big tank guns as a single battlefield unit.
 

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