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Triton said:
Wow, a blended-wing-body ekranoplan with propfans That's awesome!

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Toy: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Estes-XB-39-Eagleye-Radio-Control-Digital-Camera-Plane/4196237
That makes it a real UAV :D
I would LOL if I wasn't at the library! :D
Oh this is epic hilarity! I wonder if they purposely made it look like a concept desk model for an AWACS configuration? I think that's possibly where we got fooled.

Idea: think we can get Estes to maybe make an FDL-5 or X24-C (or any number of beastie we've catalogued here) as a model rocket? Imagine how awesome a Silbervogel or RATTLRS toy rocket can be, too!
 

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Believe me I am not kidding,

is this a real Russian project or not ?,I just don't know.
 

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That's real Hesham. It's E. A. Aframeyev's WIG Sea Launch space system published in Aviation and Space Herald magazine April 2001 issue. (Red Star Volume 8 Russia's Ekranoplans by Sergey Komissarov. Page 78)
 

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Also here
(In Russian) : http://www.testpilot.ru/review/wsl.htm
(Machine translation): http://www.translate.ru/site_Translation.aspx
 

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Hi,

is this a completely fake aircraft model ?.

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,28290.15.html
 

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Pedrosope's models are all pure whiffery, but they look right, and plausible. He's sort of a one-man Avpro.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

I can't judge on this aircraft,is it a real design or just an imagination
of somebody ?.
Looks like a CGI model of the proposed CSA (common support aircraft) that was meant to replace Intruder, Viking, Hawkeye and other USN carrier aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Support_Aircraft
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/csa-pics.htm
 

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Well, further down the thread we find the builder stating:

hi guys ,well Greg my models are all scratch build some of them are based on existing projects, others are my own designs, as for the materials i use , for the fuselage i use polystyrene, the blue one, and for all the other parts, such as the wings, canards etc... i use plastic,all the materials are easy to find and very cheap.

regards

Pedro
 

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I found this with Google. ??? Is this a true machine (with no other picture on the Web) or a fake photograph, well done? ;D
I tried to translate but it is still not clear. :-\
http://www.afwing.com/intro/p51/6.htm
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afwing.com%2Fintro%2Fp51%2F6.htm
 

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On the same site, this seems to be a what-if "model" (a kind of bubble-less FTB), but all the rest is serious, true-life-story, so...? for the 51X above ???
 

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These are obviously whifs... First because if these versions had existed, we'd have heard about them a long time ago... and also because it shows (especially the second one). You can't fool an old whiffer like me... LOL!
 

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Thanks for your expertise ;D
I may check the serial of the P-51X anyway. So surprising (the windscreen is 51D not 51H, the fin is 51H not D or even bigger than 51H...) :-\

Edit: the code 489198 is not a Mustang's one (the last one being 45**** and 67****, see http://www.mustang.gaetanmarie.com/documents/serials.htm) and the code FE-193 is not a civilian one (see http://lamri.free.fr/CodesAvions.htm). The fake conclusion seems confirmed.
 

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End of this investigation: what-if confirmed, that I found in 2004 (I had forgotten! so long after) shame on me... :mad:
Mr Priestley link does not work anymore, or has changed.
 

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In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
 

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The Rolls-Royce FTB (Flying Test Bed) is well known, but I was searching for unknown ones.
see http://www.unicraft.biz/bigph/mustangishiduka.htm
 

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richard B said:
In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
Oh? Wow. But the question was about the image itself, and that is surely a re-creation.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
richard B said:
In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
Oh? Wow. But the question was about the image itself, and that is surely a re-creation.
It is. I was inspired by that mockup in Green and was just speculating about what it would look like built. The other Mustang was only some whiffy nonsense I did for fun (there was also a front view of a Griffon engined 'Stang with contra-props).

The original website had disclaimers explaining that these were What-Ifs. I should've known that this stuff would get posted elsewhere without the disclaimers :p
 

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Apophenia said:
The original website had disclaimers explaining that these were What-Ifs. I should've known that this stuff would get posted elsewhere without the disclaimers :p
I've got over 300 fake aircraft posted on the web, a good half of which are photo works that are extremely believeable. My pages have disclaimers too, but still I expect that sort of thing to happen one day, as it already has with one of my fake cars (it was circulated worldwide on forums and still lives a life of its own despite my disclaimers and attempt to get the record straight!!!).
 

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Don't forget the Griffon-powered CAC CA-15 Mustang look alike. -SP
 

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I own the book "Griffon-powered Mustangs" (see http://www.amazon.com/Griffon-Powered-Mustangs-Raceplane-Tech-Vol/dp/1580070345), built and flown and Reno-winners, and the thrill for me was not there, just on 2 unknown silhouettes.
By the way, my double-twin-Mustangs (fake picture of mine) has also appeared on another Web site without saying where it comes from (while my site was entitled "fake aircraft photos for fun")...
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
I've got over 300 fake aircraft posted on the web, a good half of which are photo works that are extremely believeable. My pages have disclaimers too, but still I expect that sort of thing to happen one day, as it already has with one of my fake cars (it was circulated worldwide on forums and still lives a life of its own despite my disclaimers and attempt to get the record straight!!!).
Yep, count on it. In the worst case scenario, posters will try to pass off the whif as real. That Mustang image does puzzle me though. It's got mildly swept wings, contraprops, and an enlarged tail but it is supposed to be illustrating a section on XP-51F/G/Js !?

In some cases there will be genuine mistaken identities (a purely conceptual tank upgrade of mine was described on a European tank crew discussion group as depicting a built prototype - although this may have been an ESL issue or simply grabbing an unattributed image from another discussion group.).

And then there's Chinese sites like the one Tophe found that seem to grab (or hotlink) images almost randomly. (Others will try to pass off the images as their own.) I've seen re-posted images of mine on other afwing.com pages where depicted equipment is mis-identified despite the correct designation having been included in the re-used image name! Go figure :eek:
 

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Apophenia said:
And then there's Chinese sites like the one Tophe found
Chinese? I was very sure this was Japanese (26 years ago when I bought my first computer, there was no computer in China...). But translating from Chinese instead of Japanese gives a full translation, thanks! ;D
[I just feel very old :'( ... and the what-if/fake side is confirmed not-mentioned... :-\ ]
 

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If you look at the horizontal tails, they're mildly swept too. My guess is they used the modified Lear Jet wings & tail from the air racer Learstang 'Vendetta'. http://www.internetmodeler.com/1999/august/first-looks/vendetta.htm
I'm guessing the nose & c/r props are fron the Red Baron RB-51 air racer or another similar Griffon powered c/r prop equipped air racer that I can't recall the name, maybe even a relative to Vendetta.


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Stargazer2006 said:
I've got over 300 fake aircraft posted on the web, a good half of which are photo works that are extremely believeable. My pages have disclaimers too, but still I expect that sort of thing to happen one day, as it already has with one of my fake cars (it was circulated worldwide on forums and still lives a life of its own despite my disclaimers and attempt to get the record straight!!!).
Yep, count on it. In the worst case scenario, posters will try to pass off the whif as real. That Mustang image does puzzle me though. It's got mildly swept wings, contraprops, and an enlarged tail but it is supposed to be illustrating a section on XP-51F/G/Js !?

In some cases there will be genuine mistaken identities (a purely conceptual tank upgrade of mine was described on a European tank crew discussion group as depicting a built prototype - although this may have been an ESL issue or simply grabbing an unattributed image from another discussion group.).

And then there's Chinese sites like the one Tophe found that seem to grab (or hotlink) images almost randomly. (Others will try to pass off the images as their own.) I've seen re-posted images of mine on other afwing.com pages where depicted equipment is mis-identified despite the correct designation having been included in the re-used image name! Go figure :eek:
 

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I do believe now it's based on "Miss Ashley II". Basically Miss Ashley II with a stock canopy & WWII markings. http://aafo.com/racing/news/98/12-08-98.htm


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If you look at the horizontal tails, they're mildly swept too. My guess is they used the modified Lear Jet wings & tail from the air racer Learstang 'Vendetta'. http://www.internetmodeler.com/1999/august/first-looks/vendetta.htm
I'm guessing the nose & c/r props are fron the Red Baron RB-51 air racer or another similar Griffon powered c/r prop equipped air racer that I can't recall the name, maybe even a relative to Vendetta.


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Stargazer2006 said:
I've got over 300 fake aircraft posted on the web, a good half of which are photo works that are extremely believeable. My pages have disclaimers too, but still I expect that sort of thing to happen one day, as it already has with one of my fake cars (it was circulated worldwide on forums and still lives a life of its own despite my disclaimers and attempt to get the record straight!!!).
Yep, count on it. In the worst case scenario, posters will try to pass off the whif as real. That Mustang image does puzzle me though. It's got mildly swept wings, contraprops, and an enlarged tail but it is supposed to be illustrating a section on XP-51F/G/Js !?

In some cases there will be genuine mistaken identities (a purely conceptual tank upgrade of mine was described on a European tank crew discussion group as depicting a built prototype - although this may have been an ESL issue or simply grabbing an unattributed image from another discussion group.).

And then there's Chinese sites like the one Tophe found that seem to grab (or hotlink) images almost randomly. (Others will try to pass off the images as their own.) I've seen re-posted images of mine on other afwing.com pages where depicted equipment is mis-identified despite the correct designation having been included in the re-used image name! Go figure :eek:
 

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Nope, sorry frank. When I did the retouch, I doubt that I'd even heard of the Learstang Vendetta. I hadn't heard of Miss Ashley II until today.

I forget which airshow Mustang I based my what-if on but, as I recall, it was a near-stock P-51D. The 'contra-props' were cloned, the wings and horizontal tail skewed in PhotoShop, and the 'enlarged' vertical tail was just a 'D model unit stretched to what I imagined might be required by such an aircraft.

The key point was that it was all a bit of silliness done for fun. And there were disclaimers attached as part of the text on the original website. Either that Chinese site's webmaster didn't read the original or didn't care.

BTW: another unintentional 'product' of that old website was Unicraft's 1/72nd scale model of a single engined 'Bf-109TL'. Again, there were disclaimers (indeed, I also described and illustrated Messerschmitt's actual twin 004B project) but I don't know if Igor saw that disclaimer.
 

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Congratulations and thanks Apophenia, for having created this wonderful fake photograph. ;D
Concerning the single-engined Bf-109TL, was it asymmetrical or central? Have you kept a picture of it?
 

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http://www.klueser.eu/graphwindow.php?index=1178


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Congratulations and thanks Apophenia, for having created this wonderful fake photograph. ;D
Concerning the single-engined Bf-109TL, was it asymmetrical or central? Have you kept a picture of it?
 

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Tophe said:
Congratulations and thanks Apophenia, for having created this wonderful fake photograph. ;D
Concerning the single-engined Bf-109TL, was it asymmetrical or central? Have you kept a picture of it?
Thanks Tophe. Attached is a cropped version of that fake Bf-109TL. A lot of years have gone by and now I see so many things I'd do differently. Ah well ...

I also notice a few differences from the version Igor has kitted -- mine has the tall wooden tail and the nose intake is deeper (to make sure that the Jumo 004B would actually have fit on the belly).
 

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Delicious thanks! ;D (while maybe a little out of this topic's subject: this is a pleasant fake not yet an unknown mystery ;))
 

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I found with Google an unknown twin-boomer, either fake or not, I don't know.
It is at http://kungaloosh2.sakraft.com/book/1-82.html
The word "tales" in the address made me think of a dreamy what-if and to check I looked at the page before
but this one is very true: http://kungaloosh2.sakraft.com/book/1-81.html
so... I just don't know.
 

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Nice but all fake... Apparently TaleSpin was a Disney animated cartoon series. Here's what the TaleSpin website says... (red type is mine)

Imagine another Earth — similar to ours, yet altogether different — set in a time period reflecting the golden age of air travel. Put in a handful of characters from one of Walt Disney's animated classics and give them new lives; add a generous helping of never-before-seen people, places, and things; blend humor and drama in equal parts; cram in as much fun and adventure as you can, adding a dash of danger and a healthy dose of heart-filled storytelling. You now have the formula for what is an unsung highlight of animated television — a series which many consider to be the finest the Disney Company ever released.

TaleSpin, a spin-off loosely based on Walt Disney's 1967 adaptation of The Jungle Book, stars Baloo Bear as an ace pilot from the harbor city of Cape Suzette, in a fantasy world whose citizens are clothed, talking animal-people. The fuzzy, fun-loving bear and his new best buddy, navigator Kit Cloudkicker, fly deliveries for an air cargo company called "Higher for Hire" run by Rebecca Cunningham, sharp businesswoman and caring mother of young daughter Molly. Their compatriots include the singing orangutan Louie, now the proud manager of a swinging island nightclub, and also Higher for Hire's trusty, rust-brained mechanic Wildcat.

Aboard the fabulous airplane the Sea Duck, these "friends for life" travel to distant places, finding high-flying action and adventure (or rather, it finds them) as they run afoul of adversaries such as Don Karnage, egomaniacal leader of the dreaded Air Pirates; Shere Khan, CEO of the largest corporation in the world, Khan Industries; and Colonel Spigot, tyrannical commander from the frozen, communist country of Thembria. Through thick and thin, the heroes learn valuable lessons on courage, honesty, and friendship, always winning as they team up to turn things around on troublemakers.

TaleSpin officially debuted on syndicated television on September 9, 1990, with the premiere of its introductory TV-movie "Plunder & Lightning." Fans since justifiably view the series as the pinnacle of the Disney Afternoon's program lineup, as well as one of the best shows (animated or otherwise) of its decade. In spite of critical praise (best embodied by the Emmy Award won by "Plunder & Lightning" and an Emmy nomination for all 65 episodes), TaleSpin seemed undeservedly downplayed by its parent company. Yet its quality has earned the appreciation of many who seek to preserve this special series for generations to come.

The TaleSpin world is filled with aircraft of every kind. Air freight and shipping is the lifeblood of commerce and industry, and cargo planes of every kind sail the affluent skies, from the outdated but well-beloved Conwing L-16 to huge super-transports carrying several tons of cargo.

The safety of the skies is equally important. Air pirates lurk the shipping lanes aboard huge airships, pouncing on unwary merchant planes in their fast, deadly fighter craft. In response, coast guard forces and the military are equipped with the swiftest of modern fighters to curtail the pirate threat. Khan Industries leads the world in shipping and exports due primarily to its vast fleet of cargo transports, and employs the most advanced fighter craft to protect company interests.

Sources:
http://talespinsourcepage.i8.com/introduction.htm
http://talespinsourcepage.i8.com/aircraft.htm
http://talespinsourcepage.i8.com/equipment_3.htm
 
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