Pulqui II

[Justo Miranda]

Please find attached some drawings by myself for your consideration

 

[vajt]

Looks good. Argentina was really ahead of the curve with jet aircraft back in the days.

-----JT-----

 

[GTX]

It helps to have someone like Kurt Tank involved.

Regards,

Greg

 

[Retrofit]

I think that Reimar Horten was also involved in the development of the Pulqui II's experimental glider when he arrived in Argentina, before switching back to his flying-wing designs (IAe-34, 37, 38, 41, 48, Pierniferos...).

 

[MC72]

Tank's Pulqui-II,
if brought to the stage of production could have been measured with their natural counterparts MiG-15, F-86 Sabre, There were no shortage of potentials Buyers outside the major alliances (USA-CCCP); The Spain of General Franco (friend of Argentina) needed replacements for their old fighters; There were some who need to begins to shoot right away, like the Arab countries or........... the explosive Indian sub-continent, of the time.
These could have been possible colors of the "Export" Pulqui-II.

Saludos
MC72

 

[Aardvark]

Very interesting work!
It seems to me to eat questions on a combination of the channel of an air inlet and a cabin, feet of the pilot couldn't is in an air stream, whether not so?
Whether saw you these photos
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/images/fotos/foto231z.jpg
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/images/fotos/foto230z.jpg
here:
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/fotos/fotos009.html
Judging by a photo the nasal part has slightly other rivets of a line!
According to the panel lines can be others?

You couldn't compare Pulki II with Lavochkin La-168 and Lavochkin La-176?
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/la-168.php
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/la-176.php

There is something the general, whether a lie?

B.R. Serge

 

[Hammer Birchgrove]

While I doubt Sweden (under a Social Democratic government) would sell SAAB J-29 Tunnan (or any other military aircraft) to Franco's Spain, it would probably gladly sell to India, which didn't happen.

Were the aerodynamic and the other possible issues with the Palqui II going to be solved?

 

[MC72]

Very interesting work!
It seems to me to eat questions on a combination of the channel of an air inlet and a cabin, feet of the pilot couldn't is in an air stream, whether not so?
Whether saw you these photos
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/images/fotos/foto231z.jpg
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/images/fotos/foto230z.jpg
here:
http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/fotos/fotos009.html
Judging by a photo the nasal part has slightly other rivets of a line!
According to the panel lines can be others?

You couldn't compare Pulki II with Lavochkin La-168 and Lavochkin La-176?
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/la-168.php
http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/la-176.php

There is something the general, whether a lie?

B.R. Serge

Clearly the air flow in the case of the Tank's Pulqui-II, goes to the sides of the cabin and not below it, with better aerodynamics.

The configuration of air flow of Tank's Pulqui-II is best fit, than that used in the Ta.183 Huckebein which in turn probably comes from the Saab Tunnan; These two have more frontal area, and therefore more aerodynamic resistance.

What you mean precisely, compare Pulqui-II, with the Lavochkin La-168 and the Lavochkin La-176?

Saludos
MC-72

 

[MC72]

While I doubt Sweden (under a Social Democratic government) would sell SAAB J-29 Tunnan (or any other military aircraft) to Franco's Spain, it would probably gladly sell to India, which didn't happen.

Were the aerodynamic and the other possible issues with the Palqui II going to be solved?

Sweden makes good airplanes! But its policy of extrict neutrality, preclude the sale of this aircraft...........a country like France more "open-minded" would have done great business with this same model.....No doubts!!

However there is a exception, the Tunnan was sold to the then "neutral" Austria, and even participates to the UN-forces for the secessionist conflict in the Congolese province of Katanga.

 

[Hammer Birchgrove]

While I doubt Sweden (under a Social Democratic government) would sell SAAB J-29 Tunnan (or any other military aircraft) to Franco's Spain, it would probably gladly sell to India, which didn't happen.

Were the aerodynamic and the other possible issues with the Palqui II going to be solved?

Sweden makes good airplanes! But its policy of extrict neutrality, preclude the sale of this aircraft...........a country like France more "open-minded" would have done great business with this same model.....No doubts!!

However there is a exception, the Tunnan was sold to the then "neutral" Austria, and even participates to the UN-forces for the secessionist conflict in the Congolese province of Katanga.

This is true.

 

[elgatoso]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pulqui_II_Argentine_Museum.jpg/800px-Pulqui_II_Argentine_Museum.jpg
A Pulqui II from Wikimedia Commons.

 

[Petrus]

While I doubt Sweden (under a Social Democratic government) would sell SAAB J-29 Tunnan (or any other military aircraft) to Franco's Spain, it would probably gladly sell to India, which didn't happen.

Were the aerodynamic and the other possible issues with the Palqui II going to be solved?

Sweden makes good airplanes! But its policy of extrict neutrality, preclude the sale of this aircraft...........a country like France more "open-minded" would have done great business with this same model.....No doubts!!

However there is a exception, the Tunnan was sold to the then "neutral" Austria, and even participates to the UN-forces for the secessionist conflict in the Congolese province of Katanga.

It's slightly off topic discussion, but actually Sweden had never such non-export policy, to mention only the Bofors guns world-wide success, the Carl Gustaf recoilles guns and so on. As for aircraft the Swedes tried to sell them to numerous countries but made it only in few instances (Denmark, Austria, Finland in the Cold War era). You may find details at http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviation/text/exports.html.

It's hard to tell about possibility of selling Swedish aircraft to Franco's Spain, only because there were no such projects or attempts. What remains certain is that in the late 1940s/early 1950s Sweden did sell Spain Bofors 40 mm anti-aircraft guns.

Best regards,
Piotr

 

[Hammer Birchgrove]

I stand corrected. Well, at least the 40 mm Bofors was a defensive weapon, but still.

 

[Stargazer2006]

There were no shortage of potentials Buyers outside the major alliances (USA-CCCP); The Spain of General Franco (friend of Argentina) needed replacements for their old fighters; There were some who need to begins to shoot right away, like the Arab countries or........... the explosive Indian sub-continent, of the time.
These could have been possible colors of the "Export" Pulqui-II.

Translated from the French Aviation Magazine N°80, 15 August 1953:

The IA-33 Pulqui II, a swept-wing jet fighter designed by German engineer Kurt Tank, has been plagued with bad fortune, with the successive crash of two prototypes. Flight testing has recently resumed and has been described as especially satisfactory both in terms of maneuverability and speed — the speed of sound being attained in a dive. It is now likely that this aircraft will be produced. The United States are reportedly willing to acquire a Pulqui II in order to test it.

A Pulqui II in American colors?!? That would have been something!

 

[topspeed3]

PULQUI II beat both F-86 and MIG-15 in power to weight ratio.

 

[Motocar]

I have the cutaway drawing Pulqui II

 

[hesham]

I have the cutaway drawing Pulqui II

Can you send it,and thanks.

 

[Motocar]

Ready...!

Cutaway IA-33 Pulqui II, modified by Motocar in free interpretation

 

[hesham]

Very nice.