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Grey Havoc

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EDIT: Woops, should have put this over in Aviation & Space. Could someone please move it over there?
 
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that jet engine was really shoehorned into the available space...
 

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Problem is they're easily shot down against a defended target.
Not much more easy than things like JSOW or SDB. And since they are intended to be relatively cheap - oversaturation is answer. As always.
 

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Sounds an awful lot like an AGM-123, just with the JDAM kit rather than the Paveway. It was a cool idea then, and it's still a pretty neat one today.
 

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Problem is they're easily shot down against a defended target.
“No matter what the enemy tries to shoot down that [cruise missile] with, they’re going to lose the battlefield calculus equation,” says Jim Leary, global sales and marketing for weapons with Boeing. “They’re going to have to tap some kind of exquisite [and expensive] missile to shoot something like that down. It’s going to cost a lot more.”
 

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Problem is they're easily shot down against a defended target.
“No matter what the enemy tries to shoot down that [cruise missile] with, they’re going to lose the battlefield calculus equation,” says Jim Leary, global sales and marketing for weapons with Boeing. “They’re going to have to tap some kind of exquisite [and expensive] missile to shoot something like that down. It’s going to cost a lot more.”

Tor was designed SPECIFICALLY to win that cost equation.
 

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How many PGM were fired over Iraq & Syria to repel ISIS? And then how many cheap Thor would have been needed to counter them?

Here what lays for the future:

Precision-Guided Munitions_ Background and Issues for Congress; Feb. 27, 2020:


That kind of of powered JDAM will revitalize for example Tank plinking with the sensor being a Stealth asset (F-35 in charge of a Killbox) and shooters beaming well outside IADS range to launch their weapons in short succession.
 

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That kind of of powered JDAM will revitalize for example Tank plinking with the sensor being a Stealth asset (F-35 in charge of a Killbox) and shooters beaming well outside IADS range to launch their weapons in short succession.
So again spherical situation in vacuum that includes positive assets only for attacker?
 

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Tell that to the Iranians and Syrians armies... They would probably reply that to the best of their knowledge, Vacuum is not a word in Hebrew.
 
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How many PGM were fired over Iraq & Syria to repel ISIS? And then how many cheap Thor would have been needed to counter them?

Here what lays for the future:

Precision-Guided Munitions_ Background and Issues for Congress; Feb. 27, 2020:


That kind of of powered JDAM will revitalize for example Tank plinking with the sensor being a Stealth asset (F-35 in charge of a Killbox) and shooters beaming well outside IADS range to launch their weapons in short succession.


How many TOR did Iraq or Syria have? I'm thinking Z-E-R-O.
 

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On the air defense "discussion" there are a lot of parameters in the battlefield calculus. How many missiles on a TOR? Is the TOR backed up by equally capable defender? How many powered JDAM are there? Is there any jamming toward the TOR? What power level? Are the JDAM flying ballistic paths or random jinxing? Best way to defeat something like this is present multiple dilemma.

If it is one JDAM vs TOR, I would have to go with the TOR. If it is two plane loads of powered JDAM, supported by a strike package, I would have to go with the package. If it is a TOR supported by SA-300 and Pantsir...

Just noted the USAF Program Name: "Golden Horde project" Likely gives us a clue on technique.
 
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On the air defense "discussion" there are a lot of parameters in the battlefield calculus. How many missiles on a TOR? Is the TOR backed up by equally capable defender? How many powered JDAM are there? Is there any jamming toward the TOR? What power level? Are the JDAM flying ballistic paths or random jinxing? Best way to defeat something like this is present multiple dilemma.

If it is one JDAM vs TOR, I would have to go with the TOR. If it is two plane loads of powered JDAM, supported by a strike package, I would have to go with the package. If it is a TOR supported by SA-300 and Pantsir...

Just noted the USAF Program Name: "Golden Horde project" Likely gives us a clue on technique.

I was speaking specifically of the cost trade. How many of what is involved isn't really the point.
 

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