Postwar Payen Projects

[Deltafan]

Hi,

a link with articles, drawings and photos of Payen Postwar projects from :

-Pilote privé n°121, February 1984
-Pilote privé n°123, April 1984

http://acversailles.free.fr/documentation/08~Documentation_Generale_M_Suire/Reportages/Personnes/PAYEN_Roland/Roland_Payen.pdf

I gave the issues of older projects (on the same link) on the other topic.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/roland-payen-projects-and-prototypes.1455/post-359156

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Deltafan,

and please can you give us a direct link to all available issues of this (Pilote privé).

 

[Deltafan]

Thanks Hesham,

But I Don't understand your question.

There is no link of the web of available issues of these old magazines. I discovered this link only today.

I can only give you my own list of issues of Pilote Privé with known articles on Payen :

-Pilote privé
n° 11 10/1974 (Payen divers)
n° 45 (coupe Deutsch 5)
n° 54 06/1978 (Pa.100)
n° 60 12/1978 (Pa.100)
n° 83 12/1980 (YA-11 + RAP.40)
n° 84 01/1981 (SP.230 + 250)
n° 85 02/1981 (Pa.100-101)
n° 86 03/1981 (Coupe Deutsch / Pa.22)
n° 87 04/1981 (AP.10 + Pa.110)
n° 88 05/1981 (Pa.22 série)
n° 89 06/1981 (Pa.400 and others)
n° 120 01/1984 (Pa.49/1)
n° 121 02/1984 (Pa.49/2)
n° 123 04/1984 (Pa.61/1)
n° 124 05/1984 (Pa.61/2)
n° 131 12/1984 (Pa.61/3)

Today, Pilote privé is named Aviation et pilote, but AFAIK, they never wrote on Payen since 1984 (and if old issues are available from now to 1982, all the issues of 1984 are no more available).

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Deltafan,

but I don't spoke about Payen,I meant if this site has all this magazine issues,can you give us a direct link to all issues to
can upload them ?.

 

[Deltafan]

Sorry,

visibly the link come from an old site of the Aero-Club of Versailles, and the author wanted only to give these articles on Payen (9 Pilote Privé + 1 of Aviasport) on his link. I did not found other available Pilote Privé articles or magazines on it.
I found the link as direct link on Google Images. I could not found it after that on the two websites (the old one and the new) of the Aero-Club de Versailles.

Aeroclub de Versailles en Yvelines

Apprenez à piloter avec l'aeroclub de Versailles

acversailles.free.fr

Accueil - Aéroclub de Versailles - apprendre pilotage avion

Depuis plus de 100 ans, l'aéroclub de Versailles à Saint Cyr en Yvelines forme au pilotage avion. Présentation des activités, tarifs, voyages, etc.

www.aeroclub-versailles.com

 

[hesham]

From Ailes 8/6/1962.

 

[Deltafan]

Thanks a lot Hesham

 

[hesham]

I don't remember the source,

the Payen Pa.49 in early shape and building shape as I think ?.

 

[Deltafan]

Hi,

the source : https://minijets.org/fr/150-300/turbomeca-palas/payen-pa-49

Original Drawings from Roland Payen :

-above : PA-49A, with its bicycle landing gear and its first vertical fin.

-below : PA-49B, with its Tricycle landing gear and its modified vertical fin.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1955,

a more Info about Payen Pa.57.

 

[First_philou]

Thanks Hesham.


Is there texts with the two drawings ?


The Pa.149 drawing is the source for the drawing of the Minijets website. There is a text (in french) about this plane (this webpage is improved since a few time).

https://minijets.org/fr/150-a-300-kg/turbomeca-palas/projets/payen-pa-149/

For the Pa.71, this 3D drawing from JAWA is new, even if we know a drawing from Jemiba (see my avatar)

The exact url is: https://minijets.org/fr/150-300/turbomeca-palas/projets/payen-pa-149

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

That's your site right? Very nice!

 

[Deltafan]

Thanks Hesham.


Is there texts with the two drawings ?


The Pa.149 drawing is the source for the drawing of the Minijets website. There is a text (in french) about this plane (this webpage is improved since a few time).

https://minijets.org/fr/150-a-300-kg/turbomeca-palas/projets/payen-pa-149/

For the Pa.71, this 3D drawing from JAWA is new, even if we know a drawing from Jemiba (see my avatar)

The exact url is: https://minijets.org/fr/150-300/turbomeca-palas/projets/payen-pa-149

Thanks and welcome on SPF First_philou

 

[hesham]

From Air Enthusiast 68.

 

[lostcosmonauts]

Photo of Payen PA-49B from a vintage book find

 

[Deltafan]

On this website, 3 unknown photos of the Payen Pa.49 in construction (06.12.1952) :

Nicolas Roland Payen construisant le plus petit avion à réaction à...

Nicolas Roland Payen construisant le plus petit avion à réaction à aile delta du monde, le 'Pa-49', le 6 décembre 1952.

www.gettyimages.co.uk

La construction du plus petit avion à réaction à aile delta du monde,...

La construction du plus petit avion à réaction à aile delta du monde, le 'Pa-49' de Nicolas Roland Payen, le 6 décembre 1952.

www.gettyimages.co.uk

La construction du plus petit avion à réaction à aile delta du monde,...

La construction du plus petit avion à réaction à aile delta du monde, le 'Pa-49' de Nicolas Roland Payen, le 6 décembre 1952.

www.gettyimages.co.uk

Otherwise, two bad photos of what I missed on ebay a few months ago (the same plane around the same time) :

 

[publiusr]

Hi all,

Jemiba believes this is the Payen Pa.562!


Servus Maveric

I could see that cockpit lower a tad—with its fuselage join being the intake…with gill like slats to either side for taxiing.

It would have a two stage ejection—cockpit up and tail sever to eject while protecting the occupants.

 

[hesham]

The Payen Pa.60.

 

[Nik]

Do we know what prompted later designs' belated migration of cockpits from tail to nose ??

( Being whacked with proverbial 'Clue by Four' by screaming test-pilot seems far-fetched, even for Payen... )

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane 1952.

 

[Boyington]

qui veut du PAYEN ?

 

[Michel Van]

the Payen Pa 49 Katy picture
source X

 

[hesham]

I can't ID this aircraft ?.

 

[Stargazer]

I can't ID this aircraft ?.

I must admit that is a total mystery to me, as I can't find anything in the Payen models list that could correspond even remotely to this. Of course, it would help if you indicated the source (Aeromed N° 74 – http://www.aeromed.fr/AEROMEDN74.pdf)

 

[fortrena]

The mystery light cargo plane appears to be the Marcel Jurca MJ.54 Silas (F-WGBT).

Some info can be found at https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/marcel-jurca-projects-and-prototypes.17506/, as well as at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurca_MJ-54_Silas.

The French language links on the Wikipedia page seem to be working, at least in part, including https://web.archive.org/web/20050206143342/http://www.tegas.net/