Poland going for Abrams MBT? (M1A2 SEPv3)

[GTX]

 

[icyplanetnhc (Steve)]

When are they going to drop the SEPvX designation and just call it the M1A3? It's getting rather silly at this point.

 

[TomS]

When are they going to drop the SEPvX designation and just call it the M1A3? It's getting rather silly at this point.

Apparently SEP v4 will be the M1A2D. I suspect they won't get to A3 unless they do a whole new turret with a 130mm gun or some such.

 

[GTX]

Has any heard rumours of Hungary and Romania also interested in M1 Abrams tanks? I heard murmurings that FMS cases may be underway.

 

[Foo Fighter]

If they were to go for a remotely operated turret they would need a new hull anyway which would basically be a new vehicle. Interesting to see where this goes tho'.

 

[Josh_TN]

I thought the SEP3 adds Trophy? I didn't see it on the slide.

 

[TomS]

I thought the SEP3 adds Trophy? I didn't see it on the slide.

Trophy is being added to some SEP v3 tanks, but it is independent of the SEP v3 baseline.

 

[Josh_TN]

I thought the SEP3 adds Trophy? I didn't see it on the slide.

Trophy is being added to some SEP v3 tanks, but it is independent of the SEP v3 baseline.

Thanks. I had read about the Polish order which apparently had it; I didn't realize it was a separate add on.

 

[TomS]

I thought the SEP3 adds Trophy? I didn't see it on the slide.

Trophy is being added to some SEP v3 tanks, but it is independent of the SEP v3 baseline.

Thanks. I had read about the Polish order which apparently had it; I didn't realize it was a separate add on.

Yeah, it's complicated. It seems likely that most SEP v4 tanks will also have Trophy but it's not even technically part of the v4 baseline spec.

 

[GTX]

Thanks. I had read about the Polish order which apparently had it; I didn't realize it was a separate add on.

Technically there is no Polish order at this stage.

 

[GTX]

One step closer:

Poland – M1A2 SEPv3 Main Battle Tank | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil

 

[totoro]

From what I understand, the Polish ones will be the former USMC ones remanufactured into M1A2 SEP V3 standard.

I was trying to find a source that'd clear that up - whether the tanks are remanufactured or brand new. Perhaps you can help me if you have a source for your claim?

 

[GTX]

I can't remember where exactly sorry - it may have been from discussions with US army or GDLS folks.

 

[GTX]

I have also heard that Poland may be upping their request by another 200 odd Abrams. Funny that.

 

[isayyo2]

I have also heard that Poland may be upping their request by another 200 odd Abrams. Funny that.

After seeing the recent performance of the T-72B3Ms and friends over yonder, it might be wise to expedite the retirement of Poland's T-72M1s.

Maybe they could take the Marines M1A1-FEP as is? I hope they consider some Assault Breacher too.

 

[GTX]

Has any heard rumours of Hungary and Romania also interested in M1 Abrams tanks? I heard murmurings that FMS cases may be underway.

Actually - correction: it appears Romania is seeking 120 Abrams and Bulgaria is after 80.

 

[muttly]

It looks like the Poland deal is now a reality .

 

[Moose]

As such deals go in this day and age, 9 months from "we want to buy SEPv3" to "deal signed" is very fast.

 

[Volkodav]

Reading this reminded me of the TUSK kits for Abrams, I imagine they would make life harder for ATGW teams.

 

[GTX]

It looks like the Poland deal is now a reality .

What’s Your source? I have not seen any DSCA release yet.

 

[TomS]

It looks like the Poland deal is now a reality .

What’s Your source? I have not seen any DSCA release yet.

Abramsy dla Polski – wzmacniamy potencjał Wojska Polskiego - Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej - Portal Gov.pl

„To bardzo ważny dzień w historii współpracy polsko-amerykańskiej, ale także bardzo ważny dzień, jeżeli chodzi o historię Wojska Polskiego. Przed chwilą została podpisana umowa gwarantująca dostawę 250 czołgów Abrams w najnowszej wersji dla Wojska Polskiego. W lipcu zeszłego roku, razem z panem...

www.gov.pl

In Polish, confirms that the Minister of Defense signed the contract and that it was accepted by the US Ambassador. It adds that they are getting 26 Hercules and 17 bridging vehicles. Also, 28 tanks (2 companies worth) will be delivered from US Army stocks (or possibly loaned) for troop training.

 

[GTX]

It looks like the Poland deal is now a reality .

What’s Your source? I have not seen any DSCA release yet.

Doh, I'm a dunce: I actually posted the DSCA announcement earlier myself:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/poland-going-for-abrams-mbt-m1a2-sepv3.37527/post-518564