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http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2017/July%202017/The-B-2-Body-Blow.aspx
 
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http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2017/July%202017/The-B-2-Body-Blow.aspx
Amazing. It also goes to show how badly the USAF needs the Government to up its game regarding their tanker capability.

Have to say though, having seen 6 JDAM smash a target, 85 must of been some thing g of true terrible beauty to behold.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Fo44a5oOQ
 

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Sorry to be politically incorrect but during the video I imagined the camera swinging around to a room filled with middle aged Chinese men all vigorously taking notes, "Yes we're Peninsula Seniors" :D
 

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bobbymike said:
Sorry to be politically incorrect but during the video I imagined the camera swinging around to a room filled with middle aged Chinese men all vigorously taking notes, "Yes we're Peninsula Seniors" :D
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I know this is more related to the B-2 Spirit than the Boeing Advanced Bomber studies, but one of my friends' fathers worked for a defense contractor (I think it was Boeing?) and that friend mentioned that there were studies to arm the B-2 Spirit with lasers.

He said that there was one laser in the nose and two in the wingtips, which I thought was a bit odd at the time (I was imagining something like the Boeing All Wing Laser Defense study, where there was one in the front and one in the rear), but looking at the B-2 again it would not have made sense to put a laser in the rear due to the GLAS.

Neither of us were able to get information on whether the laser equipment replaced the ability to carry bombs in one or both of its bays, the operation/output of the lasers, or why the study was done to begin with.

I don't know if this is a real study - it is after all hearsay - but would mounting lasers in the wingtips make sense for a flying wing bomber like the B-2 Spirit? And if it were Boeing responsible for this study, could that mean that it's related to the Advanced Bomber studies?
 

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In mid 00s potential of self-defense laser was studied by NG, including using laser-equipped bombers in wargames during fall of 2006.
Hardware should have been installed in empty bays outside MLG wells and volumes that were reserved for rear fuel tanks but never used on certain reasons, with a turret behind MLG door.
It was pretty much powerpoint project.

And of course, every B-2 HAS operational low-power laser onboard above GLAS beaver tail under rotating cover intended for contrails detection.
 

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flateric said:
In mid 00s potential of self-defense laser was studied by NG, including using laser-equipped bombers in wargames during fall of 2006.
Hardware should have been installed in empty bays outside MLG wells and volumes that were reserved for rear fuel tanks but never used on certain reasons, with a turret behind MLG door.
It was pretty much powerpoint project.

And of course, every B-2 HAS operational low-power laser onboard above GLAS beaver tail under rotating cover intended for contrails detection.
Empty bays just outboard of the MLG bays were intended for a system that ended up never being used. They were used for flight test support equipment during the flight testing of the first two B-2s (I worked on some of that) but are empty, as far as I know, on all operational aircraft. I could see elements of a laser system being mounted there on pallets to simplify installation and replacement.
 

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Original LIB-28 purpose was revealed somewhat 20 years ago in AWST
 

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Those spaces were originally intended for carrying something totally different than that article describes. I'm just not certain I'm at liberty to say what. That system did not get installed because an easier and less expensive way to accomplish the intended effect.
 

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I always thought that chemicals for contrail supression were replaced with laser PAS (advertised in certain time as program saver SBIR example) in the tail but OK, let's just skip it.
 

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elmayerle said:
Those spaces were originally intended for carrying something totally different than that article describes. I'm just not certain I'm at liberty to say what.
Porn.

It was a porn distribution system, wasn't it. Nothing more effective at discomfazzulating uptight Commies and jihadies that free porn falling from the sky like manna from Sky Vegas.
 

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Actually, MRS Miggins emporium in Brighton on sea would seem to give more bang for the buck. Sorry.
 

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flateric said:
Original LIB-28 purpose was revealed somewhat 20 years ago in AWST
David Fulghum was my neighbor back then. I gave him the tip to ask about the contrail detection system after a B-2 crew chief said something oblique (sort of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing) to me at JSOH.
 

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elmayerle said:
Those spaces were originally intended for carrying something totally different than that article describes. I'm just not certain I'm at liberty to say what. That system did not get installed because an easier and less expensive way to accomplish the intended effect.
Frankly I'm shocked! So what your saying is that the quotes in that article from an anonymous "defense official" re. Contrail suppression are inaccurate?
It's almost as if the author made him up . ;)
 

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I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to dunk you head first in a bucket of chlorosulfonic acid.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3517505A/en
 

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flateric said:
Original LIB-28 purpose was revealed somewhat 20 years ago in AWST
The proposal described in the article for decoy or jammer missiles sound very much like MALD/MALD-J.
 

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LowObservable said:
I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to dunk you head first in a bucket of chlorosulfonic acid.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3517505A/en
"A further object of the invention is to prevent the formation of a jet engine contrail by introducing a uncleating substance into the aircraft exhaust stream thereby producing smaller, less visible particles rather than the larger visible particles which would ordinarily be produced as a product of combustion of the jet fuel".

I bet you 20 quid the patent examiner didn't realise this was a typo, they probably assumed uncleating = the opposite of nucleating .... :p
 

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Just reading through a novel published the year after the B-2 rollout, the cover makes for an interesting comparison to the 1988 publicity material.
 

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Graham1973 said:
Just reading through a novel published the year after the B-2 rollout, the cover makes for an interesting comparison to the 1988 publicity material.
That's not quite correct - 'Target Stealth' - First Edition (January 1, 1989) - a month after official B-2 rollout (November 22, 1988).
Moreover, cover art is a blatant rip-off of famous Honda CRX Si 'Stealth Bomber' ad campaign October 1988. If you will say again that Honda was a seer - again, not.
Ad art was very _artistic_ improvisation of an official B-2 artist's impression released by DoD in APRIL of 1988.
 

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My Step-Father worked for for the contractor who made upgrades to the mfg facility that the B-2 was made in. He worked up in the rafters for months while they built the B-2 below him :)
 

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He would have had a tense sense of professionalism because such things are not easily done (was done also above the Rafale line at the time ;) ).
 
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