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It is hard enough to get precise hit when dropped at 800km, and i imagine at that time, at mach 3 error would have been huge. Like, many many km huge.
 

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The Russians developed a high-speed/altitude bombing capability for the MiG-25RB, and it was apparently relatively accurate. Factor in more advanced western computer systems at the time and I'd think it could've been doable. It wouldn't be anything close to precision accuracy, but if you wanted to drop a stick of Mk.84s it'd probably have been able to blow something up.
 

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sferrin said:
Other than accuracy (yeah, I know, not a minor thing) why would a conventional bomb be any harder to drop than a nuke? On the other hand, it would be a pretty expensive way to deliver unguided conventional bombs and you can't really loiter at Mach 3 so it wouldn't even be useful as a bomb truck. Now if you had a swath of targets you needed to take out in one pass (say, to break up an attack across the Taiwan Strait) it would be just the trick. 25,000lbs of SDBs dropped at Mach 3. . .
in today time of GPS no problem
but in time of XB-70 GPS was not even a Idea
accuracy was gain true bigger nuclear warhead
even wenn it miss target for a mile it destroy that
 

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Michel Van said:
sferrin said:
Other than accuracy (yeah, I know, not a minor thing) why would a conventional bomb be any harder to drop than a nuke? On the other hand, it would be a pretty expensive way to deliver unguided conventional bombs and you can't really loiter at Mach 3 so it wouldn't even be useful as a bomb truck. Now if you had a swath of targets you needed to take out in one pass (say, to break up an attack across the Taiwan Strait) it would be just the trick. 25,000lbs of SDBs dropped at Mach 3. . .
in today time of GPS no problem
but in time of XB-70 GPS was not even a Idea
No kidding, hence the, "Now if you had a swath of targets you needed to take out in one pass (say, to break up an attack across the Taiwan Strait) it would be just the trick. 25,000lbs of SDBs dropped at Mach 3. . ." as in TODAY. (They didn't have SDBs in the 60s last I checked.)
 

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XB-70 Guy - I thought the Valkyrie's flew around the battlefield choosing those who performed courageously for selection into Valhalla?
 

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bobbymike said:
XB-70 Guy - I thought the Valkyrie's flew around the battlefield choosing those who performed courageously for selection into Valhalla?
I've heard numerous definitions. They all seem appropriate. Cheers
 

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Here's some B-70 goodies from Google Life magazine.
 

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"Meet the XB-70 Valkyrie, Almost the World’s First Nuclear Aircraft"
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/meet-the-xb-70-valkyrie-almost-the-world%E2%80%99s-1st-nuclear-aircraft/
 

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XB-70 Guy said:
Any info on this for the XB-70 program? I understand there was similar artwork for the Rapier...
It's from the Boeing Archives; since they took over the former NAA archives. But when I tried contacting Boeing Imagery, they said it was only available in black and white and they wanted a completely outrageous amount of money for the license to use it (I was gonna use it for a book cover)
 

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RyanCrierie said:
Boeing Imagery ... wanted a completely outrageous amount of money for the license to use it.
Really? Boeing? Say it ain't so...
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Boeing owns the rights to all the archives of the following manufacturers (and probably a few more...):

- Boeing
- Boeing Helicopter
- Vertol
- P.V. Engineering (first Piasecki company)
- McDonnell Douglas
- McDonnell
- Douglas
- Rockwell
- North American
- Curtiss-Wright
- Bombardier
- De Havilland Canada

Anything I might have forgotten? :-(
 

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Michel Van said:
B-70 was design to drop 14 Nuclear Bombs from high altitude of 70,000 ft (21,300 m)
Really? 14? Which weapons was it meant to carry? And where in that skinny airframe were they going to be stored?

My understanding was that the B-70 had just two tiny weapons bays?
 

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...and the guy that heads up the archive is a stickler for licensing fees - I was charged $375 USD for a one time use of a 4x5 color transparency of a B-29. -SP
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
If I'm not mistaken, Boeing owns the rights to all the archives of the following manufacturers (and probably a few more...):

- Boeing
- Boeing Helicopter
- Vertol
- P.V. Engineering (first Piasecki company)
- McDonnell Douglas
- McDonnell
- Douglas
- Rockwell
- North American
- Curtiss-Wright
- Bombardier
- De Havilland Canada

Anything I might have forgotten? :-(
Why Bombardier and De Havilland Canada? Isn't Bombardier an independent company?
 

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Really? 14? Which weapons was it meant to carry? And where in that skinny airframe were they going to be stored?

My understanding was that the B-70 had just two tiny weapons bays?
You can consult the PDF of the B-70A SAC from 1960 at my site HERE

WARNING -- LINK GOES TO PDF WHICH IS MULTI MEG!

For those who are lazy, here goes what the USAF wanted in 1960 for the B-70A regarding weapon options

1 x Class A Nuclear Device weighing 25,000 lbs
or
2 x Class B Nuclear Devices weighing 10,000 lbs each
or
2 x Class C (FUFO) Nuclear Devices weighing 8,500 lbs each
or
4 x Class D Nuclear Devices Weighing 2,000 lbs each

Alternately; the B-70 could carry

2 x Air-Surface Missiles and 1 x Class B Device
or
2 x Air-Surface Missiles and 4 x Class D Devices

Maximum bombload was to be 25,000 lbs.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Anything I might have forgotten? :-(
Let me think...


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LICENSEE WAIVES, RELEASES AND RENOUNCES (A) ALL WARRANTIES,
OBLIGATIONS AND LIABILITIES OF LICENSOR, AND RIGHTS, CLAIMS AND
REMEDIES OF LICENSEE AGAINST LICENSOR, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, ARISING BY
LAW OR OTHERWISE, WITH RESPECT TO LICENSED MARKS, OTHER INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY, OR ANY OTHER THING PROVIDED TO LICENSEE UNDER THIS
AGREEMENT, OR ANY ANTICIPATED, ATTEMPTED OR ACTUAL USE OF LICENSED
MARKS, OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, OR ANY OTHER THING PROVIDED TO
LICENSEE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WHETHER OR NOT ARISING FROM THE
NEGLIGENCE OF LICENSOR (WHETHER ACTIVE, PASSIVE, OR IMPUTED), (B) ALL
RIGHTS, CLAIMS AND REMEDIES FOR ANY ACTUAL OR ALLEGED INFRINGEMENT OF
ANY THIRD-PARTY RIGHT ARISING FROM LICENSEE'S MANUFACTURE, SALE, USE,
OR DISTRIBUTION OF ARTICLES, AND (C) ALL RIGHTS, CLAIMS, AND REMEDIES
ARISING FROM ANY FAULT OR DEFECT IN ANY ARTICLE MADE IN ACCORDANCE
WITH, OR OTHERWISE RESULTING FROM, ANY LICENSED MARKS, OTHER
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, OR ANY OTHER THING PROVIDED TO LICENSEE UNDER
THIS AGREEMENT, WHETHER ARISING IN WHOLE OR IN PART FROM THE
NEGLIGENCE OF LICENSOR (WHETHER ACTIVE, PASSIVE, OR IMPUTED).

13. EXCLUSION OF CONSEQUENTIAL AND OTHER DAMAGES.

LICENSOR AND LICENSEE SPECIFICALLY AGREE THAT LICENSOR WILL HAVE NO
OBLIGATION OR LIABILITY, WHETHER ARISING IN CONTRACT (INCLUDING,
WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTY), TORT (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION,
ACTIVE, PASSIVE OR IMPUTED NEGLIGENCE OR STRICT LIABILITY), OR
OTHERWISE, FOR LOSS OF USE, REVENUE OR PROFIT, OR FOR ANY OTHER
DIRECT, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WITH RESPECT TO ANY
LICENSED MARKS, OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, OR ANY OTHER THING
PROVIDED TO LICENSEE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT.

14. INDEMNITY AND INSURANCE.

a. Obligation to Indemnify Licensor. Licensee will defend,
indemnify and hold harmless Licensor, its related companies, and the
directors, officers, employees and agents of Licensor and each
related company from and against all actions, causes of action,
liabilities, claims, suits, judgments, liens, awards, and damages, of
any kind or nature whatsoever, for economic loss, property damage,
personal injury or death (including, without limitation, claims
brought by employees of Licensee) and expenses, costs of litigation,
and reasonable attorney's fees related thereto, or incident to
establishing the right to indemnification, arising out of or in any
way related to Articles, whether or not arising out of the
negligence of Licensor, whether active, passive or imputed. To the
extent of this indemnity, Licensee expressly waives any employer
immunity or protection provided by the worker's compensation or
industrial insurance laws of any applicable state or jurisdiction.
Licensee's obligations under this section 14. will survive any
cancellation or termination of this Agreement. For purposes of this
Agreement a "related company" means any corporation or other business
entity in which Licensor owns or controls at least 50% of the voting
interest, as well as Licensor's parent company, The Boeing Company.

b. Insurance Requirements. Licensee will carry, and maintain
throughout the term of this Agreement, commercial general liability
insurance with available limits of not less than two million dollars
($2,000,000) per occurrence for economic loss, personal injury,
bodily injury, including death, and damage to property. Such
insurance will be in an occurrence form and with insurers acceptable
to Licensor and contain coverage for contractual liability
(including, without limitation, that specifically assumed under
subsection 14.a. herein), and products liability with available
limits of not less than two million dollars ($2,000,000) per
occurrence. Any policy which provides the insurance required under
this subsection 14.b. will: (i) be endorsed to name "Boeing
Management Company, its related companies, and their respective
directors, officers, agents, and employees" as additional insured
(hereinafter "Additional Insured") with respect to liability arising
out of the use or sale by Licensee of any Articles, or the use by
Licensee of any Licensed Marks, Other Intellectual Property, or other
thing delivered under this Agreement; (ii) be endorsed to be primary
to and noncontributory with any insurance maintained by, or on behalf
of, Boeing Management Company; (iii) provide a waiver of any rights
of subrogation against the Additional Insured; and (iv) contain a
severability of interest provision in favor of the Additional Insured.

c. Certificates of Insurance. Prior to any sale of Articles
under this Agreement, Licensee will provide for Licensor's review and
approval, certificates of insurance, referencing this Agreement,
reflecting full compliance with the requirements set forth in
subsections 14.a. and 14.b. above. A form of certificate, acceptable
to Licensor, is attached as Attachment F. During the term of the
Agreement, annual renewal certificates will be submitted to Licensor
before the expiration of the then-current policy ends. Subsequent to
cancellation or termination of the Agreement, Licensee will submit
annual renewal certificates for two (2) years thereafter (for
products and completed operations liability). The failure of
Licensor to demand compliance with this section 14 in any year will
not in any way relieve Licensee of its obligations hereunder nor
constitute a waiver by Licensor of these obligations. Such
certificates will provide for thirty (30) days advance written notice
to Licensor in the event of cancellation or material change adversely
affecting the interests of Licensor, its related companies, or the
directors, officers or employees of each.


15. RELATIONSHIP OF PARTIES.

Nothing in this Agreement will be construed to place the parties in
the relationship of partners, joint venturers, franchisor and
franchisee, or principal and agent; and Licensee will have no power
to obligate or bind Licensor in any manner whatsoever.

16. NOTICES.

All notices for which provision is made herein will, in the case of
Licensee, be addressed to and, in the case of Licensor, be addressed
to: Vice President, Contracts & Business Operations, Boeing Business
Services Company, PO Box 3707, Mail Code 14-84, Seattle, Washington
98124-2207 or to such other address as the addressee party may from
time to time designate by notice in writing to the other party. All
notices hereunder will be in writing and, if so addressed and sent by
registered mail, will be presumed to have been received on or before
the fifth day after the day upon which posted.

17. ASSIGNMENT.

This Agreement will benefit and be binding upon each of the parties
hereto and their respective successors and assigns; but Licensee
shall not voluntarily or by operation of law assign, sub-license,
transfer, encumber or otherwise dispose of all or any part of
Licensee's interest in this Agreement without Licensor's prior
written consent, to be granted or withheld in Licensor's absolute
discretion. Any attempted assignment, sub-license, transfer,
encumbrance or other disposal without such consent shall be void and
shall constitute a material default and breach of this Agreement. A
transfer within the meaning of this section 17 shall include any
merger or consolidation involving Licensee's company or its parent
(if any); any sale or transfer of all or substantially all of
Licensee's (or its parent's) assets; and any transfer of Licensee's
rights hereunder to a division, business segment or other entity of
Licensee. Licensor may assign this Agreement to any of its related
companies. This Agreement and the license hereby granted are
personal to Licensee for all purposes, and Licensee may not grant
sublicenses under this Agreement.

18. TAXES.

a. Licensee will reimburse Licensor (net of any additional taxes
thereon) the amount of any and all taxes (except United States income
taxes) and fees of whatever nature, including any withholds, together
with any costs, penalties, or interest thereon, paid or imposed upon
Licensor as a result of or in connection with the performance of this
Agreement.

b. If the Licensee is required by law to make any deduction or
withhold from any payment to Licensor hereunder, Licensee will pay
any additional amount required that will result after such deduction
or withhold in Licensor receiving the full amount of any payment
specified in this Agreement.


19. MISCELLANEOUS.

a. Nondisclosure of Provisions. Except as required by law,
Licensee will keep confidential and not disclose any provisions of
this Agreement except to those of its agents, contractors,
consultants and advisors (including legal counsel) whose assigned
duties reasonably require such disclosure, in which event Licensee
will first obtain written obligations of confidentiality and
nondisclosure from such persons.

b. Choice of Law and Jurisdiction. This Agreement will be
construed and performed in accordance with the laws of the State of
Washington, United States of America, except that the conflict of
laws provisions under Washington law will not be applied for the
purpose of making other law applicable. Licensee hereby submits to
the jurisdiction of the Washington state courts and the United States
District Court for the Western District of Washington with regard to
any and all claims and disputes related to this Agreement.

c. Compliance with Laws. Licensee shall be responsible for
complying with all laws, including but not limited to any statute,
rule, regulation, judgment, decree, order, or permit applicable to
its performance under this Agreement.

d. Export. Licensee will comply with all United States export
laws and regulations. If an export license is required by United
States law or regulation for export of any Article or Other
Intellectual Property, under this Agreement, and such Article or
Other Intellectual Property is to be exported by Licensee, then it is
Licensee's obligation to obtain such U.S. export license.

e. Entire Agreement. This Agreement constitutes the entire
understanding between the parties relating to the licensing or use of
trademarks owned by Licensor and/or to Other Intellectual Property
and supersedes and replaces any and all prior agreements relating
thereto. This Agreement will not be varied, amended, or supplemented
except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties.

f. No Waiver of Enforceability. No failure or delay by either
party hereto at any time to enforce any provision of this Agreement
or exercise any rights or remedies thereunder will be construed as a
waiver or relinquishment of any such provision, right, or remedy.

g. Equitable Relief. Licensee understands and agrees that
Licensor will suffer irreparable harm in the event that Licensee
fails to comply with any of its obligations pursuant to this
Agreement and that monetary damages in such event would be inadequate
to compensate Licensor. Consequently, if Licensee breaches this
Agreement, Licensor will be entitled, in addition to such monetary
relief as may be recoverable by law, to such temporary, preliminary
and/or permanent injunctive relief as may be necessary to restrain
any continuing or further breach by Licensee, without showing or
proving any actual damages sustained by Licensor.

h. Construction. The rules of construction to the effect that
ambiguities are to be resolved against the drafting party will not be
employed in the interpretation of this Agreement or of any amendments
or supplements hereto. The section headings are inserted for
convenience of reference only and are not intended to be a part of or
to affect the meaning or interpretation of any of the provisions of
this Agreement.

i. No Offer. This Agreement does not constitute an
offer by either party, and it will not be effective unless it has
been signed by both parties.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, this Agreement is executed in duplicate originals
by authorized representatives of the parties hereto.


BOEING BUSINESS SERVICES COMPANY
Acting on Behalf of Boeing Management Company


By: _____________________________ By:
______________________________

Title: ____________________________ Title:
_____________________________

Date: ____________________________ Date:
_____________________________


MODEL 247
MODEL 294
MODEL 299
MODEL 307
MODEL 314
MODEL 345-2-1
MODEL 367
MODEL 367-80
MODEL 377
707 â
717â
MODEL 720, MODEL 720B
727â
737â
747â
757â
767â
777â
A-17
A1-H
A-1 SKYRAIDER
A-2
A-20
A-24
A-26
A-3
A-36
A3D
A2J
A3J
A-4
A-4 SKYHAWK
A4D
A-5
AD-6
AGM-86 CRUISE MISSILE
AH-64
AJ-1
APACHEâ
APACHE LONGBOWâ
APOLLO SPACECRAFT
ARPA Hibex
AT-6
AV-8B
AV-8B HARRIER II
AWACS
B & W
B-1 Model 6
B-1E
B-17
B-18
B-19
B-1B
B-25
B-25 MITCHELL
B-26
B-29
B-45
B-47
RB-47
XB-47
EB-47 (A, B, E, G, J, K)
B-50
B-50A
B-50B
B-50D
B-52
EB-52
RB-52
SB-52
YB-52 (A-H)
B-66
B-70
B-9
BANSHEE F2H-1
BANSHEE F2H-2
BBJ
BC-1
BC-2
BERLINER-JOYCE
BIG HENRY
BOEING
BOEING BUSINESS JETS
B-314 CLIPPER
BOLO
BOMARC
BOSTON
BRONCO
BT-1
BT-2
BT-9
BT-14
BT-17
BT2D
BUCKEYE
BURNER II
C-118
C-124 GLOBEMASTER II
C-133
C-135
C-17
C-17 GLOBEMASTER
C-47
C-53
C-54
C-74 GLOBEMASTER
C-75
C-9
C-97
CARGOMASTER
CAYUSE
CH-46
CH-46A
CH-46D
CH-46E
CH-47
CH-47A
CH-47B
CH-47C
CH-47D
CH-47E
CHINOOK
CLOUDSTER
CLIPPER
COMANCHE
COMMUTER
CONDOR
CORPORATE 77
DAKOTA
DARKSTAR
DASH 80
DAUNTLESS
D-558-2 SKYROCKET
D-5581 SKYSTREAK
DB-7
DC-1
DC-10â
DC-2
DC-3
DC-4
DC-5
DC-6
DC-7
DC-8â
DC-9â
DELTA
DELTA II
DELTA III
DELTA IV
DEMON
DESTROYER
DEVASTATOR
DH-4
DOLPHIN
DOODLEBUG
DOUGLAS
DOUGLAS WORLD CRUISER
DRAGON
DT-1
DT-2
E-3
E-4
E-6
EAGLE
EXECUTIVE
EXTENDER
F/A-18
F/A-18 C/D **
F/A-18C *
F/A-18D *
F/A-18 E/F **
F/A-18Eâ *
F/A-18F *
F/A-18 C/D HORNET **
F/A-18C HORNET *
F/A-18D HORNET *
F/A-18 E/F SUPER HORNET**
F/A-18E SUPER HORNET *
F/A-18F SUPER HORNET*
F-100
F-100 SUPER SABRE
F-101
F-15â
F-15E
F-15 EAGLE
F-15E STRIKE EAGLE
F-18
F2H
F3B
F3D
F3H
F-4
F4B
F4B-4
F4D
F5D
F-51
F-82
F-86
F-86 SABRE
FB
FB-5
FH-1
FJ
FLYING FORTRESS
B-17 FLYING FORTRESS
FURY
GAM-77
GAMMA 2B
GAPA
GEMINI SPACE CAPSULE
GLOBEMASTER II
GLOBEMASTER III
GOBLIN
GOSHAWK
HARPOON
HARRIER
HARVARD
HAVOC
HERMES
HORNET
HOUND DOG
HSCT
HIGH SPEED CIVIL TRANSPORT
IM-99A
IM-99B
INVADER
IUS
JUMBO JET
KAYDET
KC-10
KC-135
L-15
L-17
LANCER
LIFTMASTER
LITTLE HENRY
LUNAR ROVING VEHICLE
MARINER 10
MCDONNELL
MCDONNELL DOUGLAS
MD-10
MD-11
MD-80
MD-81
MD-82
MD-83
MD-87
MD-88
MD-90
MERCURY SPACE CAPSULE
MH-47
MINUTEMAN
MINUTEMAN 1
MINUTEMAN 11
MINUTEMAN 111
MITCHELL
MODEL 15
MODEL 40
MODEL 40A
MODEL 40B
MODEL 40C
MODEL 50
MODEL 75
MODEL 79
MODEL 80
MODEL 95
MODEL 96
MODEL 119
MODEL 120
MODEL 200
MODEL 220
MODEL 221
MODEL 234
MODEL 502
MODEL C
MONOMAIL
MUSTANG
NA-16
NA-21
NA-49
NA-73
NAVAJO
NAVION
NIGHTINGALE
NIKE MISSILE
NIKE AJAX
NIKE HERCULES
NIKE ZEUS
NJ-1
NORTH AMERICAN AVIATION
NOMAD
O-2
O-46A
O-47
OH-6
ORBITER I
OSPREY
OV-10
P-12
P-26
P-26 PEASHOOTER
P-51
P-51 MUSTANG
P-64
P-82
P-86
PB-1
PBJ
PEASHOOTER
PHANTOM
PHANTOM II
POLAR STAR
PT-13
PT-17
PW-9
R4D
R5D
RA-5C
RAH-66
RC-135
REDSTONE
ROCKETDYNE
SABRE
SABRELINER
SATURN
SATURN S-1C
SATURN S-11
SATURN S-NB
SATURN V
SAVAGE
SBD
SBD DAUNTLESS
SCOUT
SEA KNIGHT
SEA RANGER
SENTRY
SINBAD
SKYHAWK
SKYKNIGHT
SKYLAB
SKYMASTER
SKYRAIDER
SKYRAY
SKYTRAIN
SKYTRAIN II
SKYTROOPER
SKYWARRIOR
SNJ
SRAM
SST
SUPER SONIC TRANSPORT
STILETTO
STRATOCRUISER
STRATOFORTRESS
STRATOFREIGHTER
STRATOJET
STRATOLINER
STRATOTANKER
STEARMAN
STRIKE EAGLE
SUPER HORNET
SUPER SABRE
SUPERFORTRESS
T-2
T2D-1
T2J
T-28
T-39
T-43
T-45
T-6
T-6 TEXAN
TACAMO
TBD
TB-1
TEXAN
THOR
TORNADO
TROJAN
TWIN MUSTANG
V-22
V-22 OSPREY
VALKYRIE
VC-25
VC-118
VC-137
VERTOL
VIGILANTE
VOODOO
X-15
X-3
X-31
X-32
X-33
X-36
XA-21
XB-15
XB-19
XB-21
XB-28
XB-42
XB-43
XB-70
XC-105
XF6B-1
SF7B-1
XF8B-1
XF-85
XFV-12A
XH-17 FLYING CRANE
XH-20
XHJD-1WHIRLAWAY
XP3D-2
XP-67
XP-9
XV-1 CONVERTIPLANE
XV-9A HOT CYCLE
YALE
YAB-7
YC-15 AMST
YC-14
YC-15
Y1B-7
Y1B-9
YF-93
Trademarks in the product configurations for the aircraft identified
by the marks listed in this attachment
* as applied to aircraft
** as applied to models/depictions of aircraft




ATTACHMENT B


Approval Log



Article Description Approval Date











ATTACHMENT C


Distribution Channels
Please check the appropriate distribution channel(s) below for
inclusion in the Agreement:

Unrestricted: all retailers and wholesalers.

Mass: mass market, meaning high volume stores featuring
discounted merchandise (including such retailers as Target, Kmart,
Toys R Us, and WalMart), and wholesalers which sell to such retailers.

Value-oriented: value-oriented department stores (including
such retailers as Sears, Mervyn's, and Montgomery Ward), and
wholesalers which sell to such retailers. Value-oriented specialty
stores (including such retailers as Kids R Us and Baby Superstores),
and wholesalers which sell to such retailers.
Mid-tier: mid-tier department stores, meaning intermediate
quality, fashion-oriented department stores (including such retailers
as JCPenney and Kohl's).

Upscale: Upscale retailers, meaning high quality, high
fashion department stores (including such retailers as Robinsons-May,
Nordstrom's and Bloomingdale's), specialty stores and boutiques, and
wholesalers which sell to such retailers. Better specialty stores
(such as Bergstrom's), and wholesalers which sell to such retailers).

E-commerce: direct retail shopping involving the buying and
selling of goods and services on the internet, especially the world
wide web.
Other: Please indicate distribution restrictions or channels
which should be included in the Agreement (e.g. grocery stores,
airports, hotel, gift shops, etc.):
______________________________________________________________.

No wholesalers: Check here for no wholesalers.


ATTACHMENT D

Royalty Report

Total Due

A. Sales to Licensor, any subsidiary of Licensor, and/or the
United States government


Date of Sale Article /Licensed Mark Quantity Sold Country of
Sale Net Sales Price



0

Sales of Articles on which a royalty was paid to Licensor by a
licensee prior to Licensee in the distribution chain

Name of Previous licensee: ____________________________


Date of Sale Article /Licensed Mark Quantity Sold Country of
Sale Net Sales Price



0

Sales to any other customer of Licensee:


Date of Sale Article /Licensed Mark Quantity Sold Country of
Sale Net Sales Price Total (column 3 times column 5) Royalty Due
(column 6 times 4%)






License Issuance Fee ($1000), if applicable


Promotional Fee ($2500), if applicable


Total


Check attached
Payment by wire transfer, receipt attachedAttachment E

Confidentiality Agreement

This confidentiality agreement ("Agreement") is entered into between
("Contractor") and _
("Licensee") and will be effective as of the date
set forth below.

In connection with Licensee's provision to Contractor of certain
Other Intellectual Property, reference is made to License Agreement
_________________ dated as of _______ , 20___ between Boeing
Management Company ("Boeing"), a wholly-owned subsidiary of The
Boeing Company, and Licensee (the "License Agreement").

Capitalized terms used herein without definition will have the same
meaning as in the License Agreement.

Boeing has agreed to permit Licensee to make certain Other
Intellectual Property related to the manufacture of Articles
available to Contractor in connection with Licensee's contract with
Contractor (the "Contract") to assist Licensee in the manufacture of
Articles. In consideration of the Contract, and as a condition of
receiving Other Intellectual Property, Contractor agrees as follows:

For purposes of this Agreement:

"Other Intellectual Property" means any artwork, drawings, technical
information, know-how, and advice provided or otherwise made
available to Licensee in accordance with section 2 of the License
Agreement together with a nonexclusive license under any copyrights
and/or designs owned by Licensor therein.

"Proprietary Information" means any and all proprietary, confidential
and/or trade secret information owned by Boeing or a Third Party
which are contained, conveyed or embodied in Other Intellectual
Property.

"Third Party" means anyone other than Boeing, Licensee and Contractor.

2. Boeing has authorized Licensee to grant to Contractor, and
Licensee does hereby grant to Contractor, solely for the purpose of
assisting Licensee in the design, manufacture, sale and/or
distribution of Articles under the License Agreement, a worldwide,
non‑exclusive, personal and nontransferable license to use Other
Intellectual Property, owned by Boeing, in connection with
performance of the Contract or as may otherwise be authorized by
Boeing in writing. Contractor will keep confidential and protect
from disclosure to any person, entity or government agency, including
any person or entity affiliated with Contractor, all Other
Intellectual Property. Individual copies of all Other Intellectual
Property are provided to Contractor subject to copyrights therein,
and all such copyrights are retained by Boeing or, in some cases, by
Third Parties. Contractor is authorized to make copies of Other
Intellectual Property (except for Other Intellectual Property bearing
the copyright legend of a Third Party) provided, however, Contractor
preserves the restrictive legends and proprietary notices on all
copies. All copies of Other Intellectual Property will belong to
Boeing and be treated as Proprietary Information under this Agreement.

3. Contractor specifically agrees not to use Other Intellectual
Property in connection with the manufacture or sale of any model or
product not authorized by the License Agreement. Unless otherwise
agreed with Boeing in writing, Other Intellectual Property may be
used by Contractor only for manufacture of the Articles on behalf of
Licensee. Licensee and Contractor recognize and agree that they are
responsible for ascertaining and ensuring that all Other Intellectual
Property are appropriate for the use to which they are put.

4. If Boeing believes that the Contractor is not complying with the
terms of this Agreement, Boeing may request, and Contractor will
promptly return to Boeing (or, at Boeing's option, destroy) all Other
Intellectual Property, together with all copies thereof and will
certify to Boeing that all such Other Intellectual Property and
copies have been so returned or destroyed.

5. When and to the extent required by a government regulatory agency
having jurisdiction over Contractor or its operations, Contractor is
authorized to provide and disclose Other Intellectual Property owned
by Boeing to the agency for the agency's use in connection with
Contractor's authorized use of such Other Intellectual Property in
connection with Contractor's manufacture of Articles. Contractor
agrees to take reasonable steps to prevent such agency from making
any distribution, disclosure, or additional use of the Other
Intellectual Property and/or Proprietary Information so provided or
disclosed. Contractor further agrees to promptly notify Boeing upon
learning of any (i) distribution, disclosure, or additional use by
such agency, (ii) request to such agency for distribution,
disclosure, or additional use, or (iii) intention on the part of such
agency to distribute, disclose, or make additional use of Other
Intellectual Property or Proprietary Information.

6. Boeing is an intended third-party beneficiary with respect to
this Agreement, and Boeing may enforce any and all of the provisions
of the Agreement directly against Contractor. Contractor hereby
submits to the jurisdiction of the Washington state courts and the
United States District Court for the Western District of Washington
with regard to any Boeing claims under this Agreement. It is agreed
that Washington law (excluding Washington's conflict-of-law rules)
will apply to this Agreement and with regard to any claim or dispute
under this Agreement.

7. No disclosure or physical transfer by Boeing or Licensee to
Contractor, of any Other Intellectual Property or Proprietary
Information covered by this Agreement will be construed as granting a
license, other than as expressly set forth in this Agreement or any
ownership right in any patent, patent application, copyright,
trademark, or trade secret.

8. The provisions of this Agreement will apply notwithstanding any
markings, or legends or the absence thereof, on any Other
Intellectual Property.

9. This Agreement is the entire agreement of the Parties regarding
the ownership and treatment of Other Intellectual Property and
Proprietary Information, and no modification of this Agreement will
be effective as against Boeing unless embodied in a writing signed by
authorized representatives of Contractor, Licensee and Boeing.

10. Failure by either Party to enforce any of the provisions of this
Agreement will not be construed as a waiver of such provisions. If
any of the provisions of this Agreement is/are held unlawful or
otherwise ineffective by a court of competent jurisdiction, the
remainder of the Agreement will remain in full force.

11. This Agreement is coterminus with the Contract, provided that
Contractor's confidentiality obligations shall survive Cancellation
of this Agreement.

ACCEPTED AND AGREED TO this: Date: _____________________ , 20___

CONTRACTOR LICENSEE

Signature: Signature:


Printed Name: Printed Name:


Title: Title:
 

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That's just so full of it. I can understand this applying to privately funded demos or stuff that never went anywhere, but NASA paid a lot of money to develop the Apollo spacecraft, not Boeing; and the SATURN rocket was developed by MSFC under Werhner von Braun, I believe MSFC built the battleship S-IC stage.
 

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RyanCrierie said:
That's just so full of it.
I've had the rationale for this explained to me at length several times. But none of those explanations made a lick of sense to me.

Note that the agreement includes three financial hits:
1) $1000 up-front
2) 4% royalty
3) $2,000,000 insurance

Now, the royalty I could understand. But the others... Hmmm. Some years ago I cast up something like 100 1/144 scale X-20 Dyna Soar resin models My plan was to sell 'em for $5 each, and I didn't actually expect to sell them all (I've never sold 100 of *anything*). So, do the math... five bucks times one hundred... minus a thousand bucks.

So somwhere in my basement I've got a box of nearly decade-old Dyna Soar kits I'll never be able to do anything with. In the mean time, Chinese companies can flood the market with them. Hell, the Chinese can flood the market with Dyna Soar model kits that leak cadmium.

This is why you'll never see me publish anything I got from Boeing (see: "Quiet Bird"). If I got it from the DoD or NASA or NARA... by the gods, it's public friggen' domain! Note that Lockheed has, at least so far, taken an entirely different approach. I contacted an author of a recent book on Convair projects on this very topic, and his reply was the Lockheed, which owns General Dynamics which owned Convair, didn't mind and didn't interfere.
 

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Darkstar? Polar Star?? Aren't these Lockheed, or are we talking about different projects?? I'm kind of lost here...

Oh, and of course I forgot Stearman in my list... ::) ;D
 

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RyanCrierie said:
sealordlawrence said:
Really? 14? Which weapons was it meant to carry? And where in that skinny airframe were they going to be stored?

My understanding was that the B-70 had just two tiny weapons bays?
You can consult the PDF of the B-70A SAC from 1960 at my site HERE

WARNING -- LINK GOES TO PDF WHICH IS MULTI MEG!

For those who are lazy, here goes what the USAF wanted in 1960 for the B-70A regarding weapon options

1 x Class A Nuclear Device weighing 25,000 lbs
or
2 x Class B Nuclear Devices weighing 10,000 lbs each
or
2 x Class C (FUFO) Nuclear Devices weighing 8,500 lbs each
or
4 x Class D Nuclear Devices Weighing 2,000 lbs each

Alternately; the B-70 could carry

2 x Air-Surface Missiles and 1 x Class B Device
or
2 x Air-Surface Missiles and 4 x Class D Devices

Maximum bombload was to be 25,000 lbs.
That does not give 14 and those loads are not simultaneous. Maximum number of warheads would be 4 class D weapons.

How do those devices translate into actual weapons?
 

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The US Military used "Weapon Classes" to designate rough dimensions and masses for nuclear weapons to allow for semi rough detail without revealing *too* much of their specific details.

The B41 Device arose out of a requirement for a CLASS B device to give you an example.
 

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RyanCrierie said:
The US Military used "Weapon Classes" to designate rough dimensions and masses for nuclear weapons to allow for semi rough detail without revealing *too* much of their specific details.

The B41 Device arose out of a requirement for a CLASS B device to give you an example.
So based on that plan you are looking at:

2 x B41 (max 25mt each)

or

2 x B53 (max 9mt each)

or

4 x B-28 (1.45mt max)
 

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This memo from 1959 shows why SAC wanted the B-70:

1959 Memo from Tommy Power, CINCSAC

For example, a VN-12 target, which is not particularly hard, with a radius of five (5) miles, would require twelve (12) Minute-man missiles or two (2) Class B gravity bombs to achieve a 90% probability of target destruction.

If the B-70 force consisted of seven Heavy Bomb Wings, each with a UE/PAA of fifteen aircraft; you would have 105 aircraft.

With a 60% readiness rate and a loss rate of 25% of the ready aircraft before the target(s) were bombed, you would be able to destroy 47 x VN-12 targets.

To hold the same number of targets (47) at risk with a perfectly reliable Minuteman I force, you'd need 564 missiles.
 

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RyanCrierie,

I dont doubt why SAC wanted it, and it would have made a useful element in the deterrent, I just wanted to be clear about the actual payload of the type. In terms of actual USAF free-fall nuclear weapons incentory I think we have it more or less nailed.
 

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The weapons bays on the B-70A were far from small. There were two bays back to back each 14 feet long and about 6 feet wide and high. They used a shared two piece sliding door system where the aft door would slide to the rear to expose the aft bay and then the forward door would slide to where the aft door was covering the aft bay to expose the forward bay. Each bay could carry a nuclear weapon up to 10,000 lbs in weight and a conventional bomb up to 20,000 lbs in weight. They could also carry multiples of smaller weapons and a new air to ground missile conceptually similar to the later SRAM. Also external pylons were planned for carrying Skybolts, more fuel and presumably more weapons. Source: Jenkins and Landis 2004.
 

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And where does the Pye Wacket lenticular missile fit in?? ???
 

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Abraham Gubler said:
There were two bays back to back each 14 feet long and about 6 feet wide and high.
These dimensions fit almost perfectly with the above analysis for the B-41 and B-53 numbers. The dimensions of those weapons would only have allowed one to be carried per weapons bay.

The one theoretical exception is the B-28, based on its dimensions (22inches / 1.84 ft) it may have been possible to squeeze 3 per bay (without stacking them somehow), of course this depends on the layout of the bomb racks, electronics, etc, etc. What could have been interesting is a rotary launcher for the B-28 with 5+ rounds per bay, however, entirely hypothetical.

However, as the document RyanCrierie provided shows, the two very high yield weapons had a certain utility without moving to multiples of smaller weapons. As I understand it the B-52 usually operated with just 4 B-28's, the same number being suggested for the B-70.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
And where does the Pye Wacket lenticular missile fit in?? ???
In the weapons bay. Page 224 of Valkyrie details that the lenticular missiles would be stacked in the weapons bay to be most space efficent and have the proper launch position. Two rows of five missiles could be accomodated in each bay. Obviously the aft bay would be used for Pye Wacket missiles and the forward bay for air to ground ordnance.
 

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Abraham Gubler said:
In the weapons bay. Page 224 of Valkyrie details that the lenticular missiles would be stacked in the weapons bay to be most space efficent and have the proper launch position. Two rows of five missiles could be accomodated in each bay. Obviously the aft bay would be used for Pye Wacket missiles and the forward bay for air to ground ordnance.
Which means that carrying the Pye Wacket lenticular missile (I assume there was to be an extensive suite of warners and jammers in addition to the missile interceptors?) would immediately remove the ability of a single aircraft to provide the 90% probability destruction of a VN-12 target as only 1 B-41 or B-53 would be able to be carried.
 

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sealordlawrence said:
Which means that carrying the Pye Wacket lenticular missile (I assume there was to be an extensive suite of warners and jammers in addition to the missile interceptors?) would immediately remove the ability of a single aircraft to provide the 90% probability destruction of a VN-12 target as only 1 B-41 or B-53 would be able to be carried.
Pye Wacket was only a study contract in 1960 and some time from service entry. So I would imagine by the time this system was ready they would have the B61 bomb (>1968) and not be limited to the large B41s and B53s for anti bunker attack.

Edit: The B-70A would have an extensive self defense sensor and jammer system without Pye Wacket.
 

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Abraham Gubler said:
Pye Wacket was only a study contract in 1960 and some time from service entry. So I would imagine by the time this system was ready they would have the B61 bomb (>1968) and not be limited to the large B41s and B53s for anti bunker attack.

Edit: The B-70A would have an extensive self defense sensor and jammer system without Pye Wacket.
No B-61 variant (340 kt max) is going to provide anywhere near the yield of the weapons mentioned here and the bunker busting Mod-11 did not enter service until 1997. Obviously the B61 would provide more options in the inventory though.
 

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sealordlawrence said:
No B-61 variant (340 kt max) is going to provide anywhere near the yield of the weapons mentioned here and the bunker busting Mod-11 did not enter service until 1997. Obviously the B61 would provide more options in the inventory though.
Opps my bad on the bunker busting. But still, come on... Any target that a B-70 needs to shot itself into with Pye Wackets is going to be the most defended target in the world (Moscow) so its either two B-70s dropping single big bunker busters or nothing.
 

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Well the Soviets peaked at about 1,000 SA-2 sites (so I am told) and deployed them pretty widely, covering most of the major possible ingress points, any deployment of the B-70 would probably have resulted in an adapted SA-2 deployment with potentially slightly different variants, focussed on higher speed targets. An operational B-70 force may have soon found itself requiring the Pye Wackets as standard.

However, there is always the possibility that custom designed weapons could have been produced for the B-70 enabling two high yield weapons to be carried in one bay- though that is as hypothetical as my B-28 rotary launcher. ;D
 

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Let's the XB-70/ Dyna-Soar combo....Haven't seen that one in a while.
 
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