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North American F-86 Sabre - special variants and projects

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Hi !

For some days i have seen a little article (i don't remember where :-\ , maybe in the french Air & Cosmos Magazine) about a supersonic F-86. It was a modified canadian F-86 with a mightier Orenda engine and a modified fuselage. But the prototype failed to achieve expected performances and this plane ended as a QF-86 target.

A forum's member knows something about this plane ?
 

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I'm guessing it's the XF-93 (or at least similiar to it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_YF-93
 

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The CAC Sabre which had an Avon engine was transonic. Does that count?
 

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I'm guessing it's the XF-93 (or at least similiar to it)

The XF-93 was a different beast and neither a supersonic design.

Studies at North American for a supersonic Sabre existed under designation "Sabre 45". The idea, from 1949, was to replace the 35º wing with a new 45º one coupled with a more powerful engine then in development (P&W J57). An all weather configuration was offered to USAF but the military requested a daytime version. The final configuration led to the F-100 Super Sabre.

I have nothing about this Orenda Sabre but I'll keep on searching
 

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YF-93 thrust/weight ratio 0.36:1.... Gulfstream V 0.4:1... and by the way the YF-93 number is WITH burner!

Arf! Arf!
 
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Pics from 'The Canadair Sabre', Larry Milberry, CANAV 1986

Cheers, Jon
 

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Original, North American F-86, Wind Tunnel Test Model

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Orionblamblam said:
Original, North American F-86, Wind Tunnel Test Model
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-North-American-F-86-Wind-Tunnel-Test-Model_W0QQitemZ320568707479QQcategoryZ86954QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6637177726201426368
I do believe it to be the pre F-100 known as the Sabre 45... SP
 

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The fuselage looks like a missing link: the Advanced Sabre or Sabre 45 perhaps. The wings, however are F-100D/F wings. The model also has the original horizontal stabilator, as well.
 

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G'day gents

I am once again going through my loved copy of Tony Buttler's American Secret Projects Fighters & Interceptors 1945-1978

In it is some great pictures of manufacturers models of the North American Aviation 'Advanced F-86' & 'Sabre 45' projects? (page 50 & 51) - the pre F-100 Super Sabre!

Does anyone have any profile / 3-view drawings and performance specifications of either of these designs?

Your assistance will be greatly appriciated

Regards
Pioneer
 

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Sorry here are some photos from American Secret Projects Fighters & Interceptors 1945-1978 of models of the 'Advanced F-86 Day Fighter' (left) (by Jonathan Rigutto) and the 'Sabre 45 Air Superiority Fighter' (right) (by Jonathan Rigutto)

Regards
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Just a friendly nudge to see if anyone has more information and profile drawings etc..... ;D


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Also there was a modified F-86 to test F-103 Periscope concept... the pictures had been already posted in another topic.. Does that get counted?
 

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Ardavan.K said:
Also there was a modified F-86 to test F-103 Periscope concept... the pictures had been already posted in another topic.. Does that get counted?
I think you're referring to this modified Republic F-84G.
 

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Several of us have pondered over the years what the "F2J" might have been, even on this very forum, but here is a January 29, 1951 article from Aviation Week which clearly states the U.S. Navy's plans to procure the F-86D as... the F2J.
 

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