North American F-100 Projects & Developments

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This display model was shown in aero August 1964. It's not really labelled but a short description is given on a Super Sabre with RR Spey engines. Such a proposed version is mentioned in The American Fighter by Angelucci & Bowers as F-100S.

So I want to ask if it's the F-100S in the picture.
 

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In 1964 NAA proposed a newbuild F-100S SuperSabre fitted with a Rolls-Royce RB.168-25R Spey Turbofan (or optional Allison TF41).

Well, timing is correct. Hard to tell with a small model though.
 
My dear boxkite,

the NA F-100S was based on F-100F airframe with a Rolls-Royce
engine,so the model is not clear.
 
Is 'engines' a typo? The F-100 pictured appears to be a single engined a/c.



boxkite said:
This display model was shown in aero August 1964. It's not really labelled but a short description is given on a Super Sabre with RR Spey engines. Such a proposed version is mentioned in The American Fighter by Angelucci & Bowers as F-100S.

So I want to ask if it's the F-100S in the picture.
 
Yes, a typo. J57 & Spey must be reasonably close in size, several J57 engined aircraft were proposed with Spey.
 
Hello!
I would like to know if someone knows something about an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).
Thanks.
 
an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).

Wow I didn't think the F-100's avionics could get any simpler!
I will be interested in seeing what this brings up
Good hunting!!

Regards
Pioneer
 
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There are various references. NAA seems to have tried to find more outlets for the F-100, including a Spey-powered version discussed in the 1960s.
 
semperaggressus said:
Hello!
I would like to know if someone knows something about an unbuilt version of Super Sabre with simplified avionics (F-100N).
Thanks.

F-100N The F-100N (probably N for NATO) was to have been a "stripped" version of the F-100D with simplified electronics that would be offered to the air forces of NATO nations. It attracted little interest and was not proceeded with.

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f100_12.html
 
Hi!
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Great post Blackkite!

Is there any explanation for the large radome on the model, compared to the small one in the scanned images?
 
The drawing of F-100 with small radar dome title is "三菱式 F-100 改 推定図"
The meaning of this title is "Mitsubishi type modified F-100 estimated figure".
Also there explanation included.
1. FCS : possible automatic tracking operation
2. All weather fighter
3. AAM : 6, 20mm cannon
4. Engine : J57 power up type
5. Vmax : 1.16 Mach
6. Climbing performance : higher than F-104
7. Combat radius : 700n.m with full weapon
8. Range : 2200n.m
9.It's possible to advance 200n.m, 3 hours patrol and return
10. Weight : 13.5ton
11. Price per one fighter : 700,000 dollars at the day 
 
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The model and the illustrations are quite interesting. They remind me of a picture I saw of a modified F-100 with the gunsite radar replaced by a more capable one, resulting in a bulged radome on the top of the inlet.
 
Some modeller says that this is a F-100J.
Excellent model!! However, I recommend remodeling the nose and the canopy.;)
Japanese explanation says that this model is a Tamiya (Italeri) 1/72 F-100J model completed in May 2017.
I want these model makers to work more seriously. Isn't it embarrassing to put such a model into the world? Investigation and study are crucial.
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Excellent speculative drawing which made 6 years before.
The explanation of this picture is as follows.

The F-100J disappeared with a vision in the voice of the famous Prime Minister Kishi's crane.
Also with the bonus of the phantom AAM-2. Please take care that AAM-2 was for F-4EJ.
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On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
 
On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
 
Hey fellas

I don't want to get too far into speculating on paper projects but does anyone know what potential radars were on the table for the F-100BI and F-100J proposals?
 
The F-100J, as shown in Lockheed F-104 Starfighter by Steve Pace (Motorbooks International, 1992). So far as I can tell, it looks like what we've seen so far of the F-100J. But the ventrally-mounted rocket pack is curious.
 

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On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
Or J57-25 (F-102 in 1955) - 11,700 lb military, 17,200 lb augmented.

The J57-20 of the F-8D/E and modernized earlier models had 18,000 lb augmented, but that was from 1960.
Likewise the J57-420 of the RF-8 had 19,600 lb augmented - but in 1965.
 
On a slightly different tangent, yesterday I was reading that Lawrence Wackett discussed licensed production of the F-100 in Australia by CAC in/around 1954. Rather than use a J57 though, they looked at two RR Avon RA-7s in a side-by-side arrangement in a widened fuselage. Apparently, NAA also showed some interest but with a single RR Avon RA-19R of 17,500lb static after burning thrust @ sea level. The increased thrust coupled with the smaller size/lower weight of the Avon promised better performance with speed, service ceiling and rate of climb all increasing:

J57 F-100ARA-19R F-100A
Max Power (Augmented)15,000 lb17,500 lb
Military Power9,220 lb11,400 lb
Max Speed @ 35,000ft751 Kn (Mach 1.31)827 Kn (Mach 1.44)
Max Speed @ 45,000ft583 Kn (Mach 1.02)629 Kn (Mach 1.09)
Max Rate of Climb18,800 FPM39,600 FPM
Service Ceiling55,600 ft58,050 ft

He again pushed for the RAAF to consider the F-100 in 1957. Alas nothing became of these proposals.
RA-19R engine performance looks very close to J79 performance. RA-19R engines for British/Commonwealth F-104s and F-4s? Or, for something different, 4x RA-19R engines on an RAF B-58K?
Or J57-25 (F-102 in 1955) - 11,700 lb military, 17,200 lb augmented.

The J57-20 of the F-8D/E and modernized earlier models had 18,000 lb augmented, but that was from 1960.
Likewise the J57-420 of the RF-8 had 19,600 lb augmented - but in 1965.
That's getting into speculative territory whereas the info I posted was based upon apparent actual study by CAC.
 
There are various references. NAA seems to have tried to find more outlets for the F-100, including a Spey-powered version discussed in the 1960s.
Just stumbled across this from Air Pictorial June 1964

Regards
Pioneer
 

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