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Here is a list of known SNCAN / Nord Aviation designations.
It will be expanded and documented little by little. Feel free to add or correct!

First numbering system:

Nord (SNCAC) NC-700 Martinet

Nord (NC-)854 (numbering taken over from SNCAC's NC- list)
Nord (NC-)855 variant with Praga-D engine
Nord (NC-)856 variant with Walter Minor 4.11W engine
Nord (NC-)856A Norvigie
Nord (NC-)856H variant with Régnier engine; belonged to Prince Rainier of Monaco (1 built)
Nord (NC-)856N Norclub twin-fin commercial variant
Nord (NC-)858 variant with Continental C90-12F engine
Nord (NC-)858.S conversion of NC 853 with Continental C-90 engine

Nord 1000 development of Messerschmitt Me 108 with Argus engine
Nord 1001 Pingouin I first production version with Renault engine
Nord 1002 Pingouin II second production version with Renault engine
Nord 1003 variant
Nord 1004 variant

Nord 1100 development of Messerschmitt Me 208 with tricycle landing gear
Nord 1101 Noralpha / Ramier I first production version with Renault engine
Nord 1102 Noralpha/ Ramier II second production version with Renault engine
Nord 1104 Noralpha variant with Potez engine

Nord 1110 Nord-Astazou variant with Astazou turbine engine

Nord 1150 light business jet aircraft project

Nord 1200 Norécrin with Mathis engine
Nord 1201 Norécrin (I) three-seat production version with Renault engine
Nord 1202 Norécrin I variant with Potez engine
Nord 1203 Norécrin (II,III,IV,V,VI,88,M1) variants with Régnier (etc.) engine
Nord 1204/II Norécrin

Nord 1220 prototype with retractable landing gear
Nord 1221 Norélan fixed wing version with Mathis engine
Nord 1222 Norélan variant with Régnier engine
Nord 1223 Norélan variant with Argus engine
Nord 1226 Norélan variant with Potez 6-DO then Régnier engine

Nord 1300 Norbaby (= Schneider Grunau Baby)

Nord 1400 Noroît flying boat with Gnôme Rhône engines
Nord 1401 Noroît variant with SNECMA Jumo engines
Nord 1402 Noroît variant with Arsenal engines

Nord (Arsenal) 1402A Gerfaut
Nord (Arsenal) 1402B Gerfaut IB
Nord (Arsenal) 1404 Gerfaut, ramjet-powered variant (not built)
Nord (Arsenal) 1405 Gerfaut II

Nord 1480 twin-boom transport project (1943)

Nord 1500 Noréclair
Nord 1501 Noréclair variant

Nord (Arsenal) 1500 Griffon I
Nord (Arsenal) 1500 Griffon II

Nord 1510 Noréclair variant

Nord 1540 light tactical single-jet aircraft (not built)

Nord 1600
Nord 1601 twin-jet aircraft with Rolls-Royce engines
Nord 1602

Nord 1620 developed from Nord 1600

Nord 1700 Norélic

Nord 1710

Nord 1750 Norelfe

Nord 1800 long-range heavy bomber project

Arsenal 1910

Nord 2000 (= DFS Olympia Meise)

Nord 2100 Norazur with Béarn engine
Nord 2101 Norazur
Nord 2102 Norazur with Argus engine

Nord 2200 naval jet fighter (1 built)

Arsenal 2301

Nord 2500 (1) projected research jet aircraft

Nord 2500 (2) (Noratlas)
Nord 2501 Noratlas
Nord 2502 Noratlas
Nord 2503 Noratlas variant with Wright engines
Nord 2504 Noratlas
Nord 2505 Noratlas projected ASW version (not built)
Nord 2506 Noratlas
Nord 2507 Noratlas
Nord 2508 Noratlas
Nord 2509 Noratlas (not built)
Nord 2510 Noratlas ASW version (not built)

Nord 2520 enlarged Nord 2502 with better cargo capacity and an enlarged and longer fuselage

Nord 2600

Nord 2700 four-engined high-seas project

Nord 2800 three-seat trainer aircraft

Nord 2900 twin-engined attack and recce project

Nord 3000 three-jet airliner to compete with the Caravelle

Nord 3100 perhaps a turboprop-powered military transport project developed from N.2500

Nord 3200 trainer aircraft with Salmson engine
Nord 3201 variant with Régnier engine
Nord 3202 "Master" main variant with Potez engine
Nord 3202B/B1B

Nord 3212

Nord 3300 COIN aircraft project

Nord 3400 Norbarbe

Nord 3500 light military/civil transport project

Nord 3600 project to compete with the Jaguar

Nord 4200 VTOL project

Nord 4210 VTOL project

Nord 4300 VTOL project

Nord 4400 VTOL project

Nord 5000 Harpon (also known as NIL-6)

Nord 5010 canard delta project with double-sweep wings

Nord 5101
Nord 5103 air-to-air missile (AA-20)

Nord 5200

Nord 6000 proposal for a heavy jet transport similar to the Lockheed C-5 (not built)


Second numbering system:

C.160 Transall
C.161 Transall

(Max Holste) (MH.)260 Super Broussard
N.261
N.262
N.262A
N.262B
N.262C
N.262E Frégate
N.268 probably a development of the Max Holste 260

N.300 hovercraft type
N.400 predecessors of the Sud-Nord SN.601 Corvette

MBB-Nord 462

N.500 Helcade / Cadet
N.501

N.510
N.511

N.600

Sud-Nord SN.601 Corvette
Sud-Nord SN.602 Corvette similar to SN-601 but powered by two 3,755 1b Snecma/Turbomeca Larzac 03 turbofans

Various designations:

Nord (Arsenal) CT.10
Nord (Arsenal) CT-20 (Northrop Ventura NVM-1)
Nord CT.41

SS.10
SS.11

AS.20

R.20

NIL-1
NIL-6 (also known as the Nord 5000 Harpon)
 

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Stéphane, please check and add it to the list when necessary.

  • Nord 3000 - SOURCE: Caravelle - la francaise de la jet set by John Wegg, page 34
  • Nord NIL-1 - SOURCE: Cuny/Docavia # 28, page 188 -> three-view
 

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All the latest additions have been incorporated. I will add descriptions to this list later on.

Terry, the Nord 600 was already in the latter part of the list (what I call the second numbering system).
 

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OK, I thought you wanted descriptions too......
 

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Caravellarella said:
OK, I thought you wanted descriptions too......
Sure do! Sorry, I thought you hadn't seen the "600" in the list already... :'(
 

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;D When will you start SNCASO, SNCAO, Bréguet & Dewoitine?
 

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Caravellarella said:
;D When will you start SNCASO, SNCAO, Bréguet & Dewoitine?
When I get 48-hour days... ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, three of these are on my "to do" list, so stay tuned... ;)
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Caravellarella said:
;D When will you start SNCASO, SNCAO, Bréguet & Dewoitine?
When I get 48-hour days... ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, three of these are on my "to do" list, so stay tuned... ;)
;D SNCAC, SIPA, SFERMA, SCAN......
 

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Caravellarella said:
;D SNCAC, SIPA, SFERMA, SCAN......
Don't forget Caudron, the biggest piece of work ahead of me yet...
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Here is a list of known SNCAN / Nord Aviation designations.
It will be expanded and documented little by little. Feel free to add or correct!

First numbering system:
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Nord 1540 light tactical single-jet aircraft (not built)

Nord 1600?
Nord 1601 twin-jet aircraft with Rolls-Royce engines
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What does the question mark mean? I found a 'confirmation' for the existence of this type designation in Der Flieger 10/1953, page 225. N.1600 doesn't seem to be an error.
EDIT: Cuny also confirms the designation N.1600 in Docavia # 30.

In the same magazine a N.3100 is mentioned, unfortunately without any details. Could be to correspond with a possible misprint ('N.1300') which is described as a military transport project with turboprops, based on the N.2500 - but the real N.1300 was a sailplane - far away to be a transport ;) .
 

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You might want to add the following:

268: probably a Max Holst design
Nord 2505: projected ASW version, not built.
Nord 2509: not built ve3rsion
Nord 2510: ASW version. Not built.
Nord 6000: Proposal for a heavy jet transport similar to the Lockheed C-5. Not built.
 

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boxkite said:
What does the question mark mean? N.1600 doesn't seem to be an error.
I put a question mark for designations that I once wrote down but couldn't find confirmation of when preparing this topic.
Thanks for confirming that I hadn't made it up!

Jos Heyman said:
You might want to add the following
Sure! I have updated the list accordingly, thanks Jos. I still need to add the description to most of the Nord designations... will do it soon.
 

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Hi,

N.300 was a hovercraft.
 

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Just for the fun: Photo of a Nord NC-858.S s/n 64 (but I don't know the meaning of this "S" addition).
 

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HI Retrofit
Avion de l'aero club Air france vers 1960
More photos and details on the site
 

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toura said:
HI Retrofit
Avion de l'aero club Air france vers 1960
More photos and details on the site
Thanks Toura, interesting website (I didn't know this aircraft had a slightly forward swept wing).
Do you know what the "S" in its designation stands for?
 

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Hi Retrofit
NC 858 s = conversion of NC 853 with Continental C 90 engine
 

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Hi,

Nord 1003 & 1004 were a variants of Model 1000.
Nord 1501 & 1510 were a variants of Noréclair.
Nord 1620 developed from Model 1600.
Nord 1800 long-range heavy bomber project.
Nord 2500 research aircraft;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3474.msg27673/highlight,nord+2500.html#msg27673
Nord 2520 http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10371.msg97456/highlight,nord+2500.html#msg97456
Nord 2700 four-engined high-seas project.
Nord 2800 three seat trainer aircraft;
http://www.aviafrance.com/s-n-c-a-n-nord-2800-aviation-france-2865.htm
Nord 2900 twin-engined attack and recce project.
Nord 3000 three jet airliner to compete Caravelle.
Nord 3500 light military/civil transport project.
Nord 3600 project to compete Jaguar.
Nord 4200,4210,4300 & 4400 well known VTOL projects.
Nord 1150 biz-jet light aircraft project.
 

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My dear Stargazer,

you forget N.2600; http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12405.0/highlight,nord+2600.html

N.1480;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10371.msg97456/highlight,nord+2500.html

N.3300 a COIN aircraft;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12404.msg121676/highlight,nord+n+3300.html#msg121676

Sud-Nord SN.602;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2249.msg19788/highlight,aerospatiale+602.html#msg19788
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Here is a list of known SNCAN / Nord Aviation designations.
It will be expanded and documented little by little. Feel free to add or correct!
(...)

Various designations:

Nord (Arsenal) CT.10
Nord (Arsenal) CT-20 (Northrop Ventura NVM-1)
Nord CT.41

SS.10
SS.11

AS.20

R.20

NIL-1
NIL-6 (also known as the Nord 5000 Harpon)
Here is a tentative correspondance table between "Nord" designations and missiles or target-drones programs

Nord (Arsenal) 5101 = AA-10 (German X-4)
Nord (Arsenal) 5102 = AA-10
Nord (Arsenal) 5103 = AA-20
Nord 5110 = AS-20

Nord (Arsenal) 5201 = SS-10 (German X-7)
Nord (Arsenal) 5202/5203 = SS-10
Nord 5210 = SS-11/AS-11

Nord 5301 = ACAM

Nord (Arsenal) 5501 = CT10
Nord 5510 = CT20
 

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By the way,

the Nord N.100 was Airbus or Hawker/Breguet/Nord HBN.100.
 

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I have some doubts about the "N.500" as a hovercraft. Would have doubled this
designation exactly during the same time, when it was given to the N.500 Cadet
ducted rotor VTOL aircraft. Due to the changes and mergers in the French aviation
industry, there were several duplicated designations, of course, but usually at least
with some years between them.
 

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On the NC-854S designation I read a somewhat different story.
NC-853S was a version with 75hp Minié 4DC-32 engine
NC-854 was new production version with 65hp Continental A65
NC-854S was used for former NC-853S aircraft re-engined with the A65.
 

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I have reorganized all the information pertaining to the SNCAN (Nord Aviation) and related companies Arsenal and SFERMAS.

Here is a list of all SNCAN-related topics on this forum:

Designations:
  • Nord Aviation and SNCAN designations
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12483.0
  • Arsenal de l'Aéronautique ("Arsenal") designations
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12471.0
Arsenal projects:
  • Arsenal VB 10
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12242.0
  • Arsenal VG.20 (1/72 scratchbuilt model by CAO 700)
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8414.0
  • Arsenal projects
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1242.0
SNCAN (Nord Aviation) projects:
  • SNCAN (Nord) 270 and 271
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3474.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 500 « Cadet » VTOL prototype
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2089.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 500 « Helcade », « Rocade », « Estocade » developments
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16053.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 510 and 511 tethered platforms
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16049.0
  • Nord 600 project model
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12325.msg121847.html#msg121847
  • SNCAN (Nord) 1500 « Griffon »
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16042.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) « Griffon » developments and other high-speed projects
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,180.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 1500 « Griffon » artwork by Josef Gatial
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1644.0
  • "Vive la France": SNCAN (Nord) 1500 « Griffon » artwork by prolific1
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9710.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 1700 « Norélic » and 1710 helicopter projects
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15184.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 2500 « Noratlas » developments
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9642.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 2600 turboprop airliner project
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12405.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 5000 « Harpon »
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1891.0
  • SNCAN (Nord) 6000
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7494.0
Various projects:

  • SNCAN (Nord Aviation) and Nord-SFECMAS projects
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16058.0
  • SNCAN (Nord Aviation) patents
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2790.0
Outside link:
  • Flight test reports (Nord 1203 Norecrin, Nord 2501 Noratlas, Nord 3202)
    http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/archives/archives_vrac.html
 

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Hi,


the Nord SS-12 was called N.5220 as mention in L + K.
 

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hesham said:
the Nord SS-12 was called N.5220 as mention in L + K.
After N.5200 for the SS-10 and N.5210 for the SS-11, this was a perfectly logical allocation.

Thanks for this find.
 

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In the Fana de l'Aviation n° 573 (August 2017) is shown a 3V drawing (here-under) of a Nord Aviation supersonic bomber project dated 1962, in competition with the Dassault Mirage IVB for the equipment of the "Forces Aériennes Stratégiques (French Air Force nuclear vector).
See also "Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft « Reply #66 on: August 03, 2017, 04:58:06 am »"
Any clue concerning its N designation?
 

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Retrofit said:
In the Fana de l'Aviation n° 573 (August 2017) is shown a 3V drawing (here-under) of a Nord Aviation supersonic bomber project dated 1962, in competition with the Dassault Mirage IVB for the equipment of the "Forces Aériennes Stratégiques (French Air Force nuclear vector).
See also "Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft « Reply #66 on: August 03, 2017, 04:58:06 am »"
Any clue concerning its N designation?
Hi,

-In Le Fana, it's named Nord "Minerve bomber"
-in French Secret Projects 2, there is too a Nord "Minerve Bomber", but if the text speaks about a plane like the 3V drawing of Le Fana, there are a 2V drawing of a delta canard and a more elaborate, and probably later, section drawing (apparently without canards) similar to the 3 V drawing of Le Fana.

Then, I can only give the designation Nord "Minerve bomber" for this plane.
 

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Jos Heyman said:
You might want to add the following:

268: probably a Max Holst design
It seemed to be there was an un-popular series for Nord,began with number 200,there
was unknown lightweight fighter Project also in this sequence.
 

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hesham said:
It seemed to be there was an un-popular series for Nord,began with number 200,there
was unknown lightweight fighter Project also in this sequence.
Of course I didn't mean this aircraft in that topic;
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3474.0.html

In Breguet Br.1100 or NATO competition,the company Nord submitted many proposals,two
of them unfortunately was never mentioned in the book; French Secret Projects : Post War
Fighters ?.
 

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hesham said:
hesham said:
It seemed to be there was an un-popular series for Nord,began with number 200,there
was unknown lightweight fighter Project also in this sequence.
Of course I didn't mean this aircraft in that topic;
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3474.0.html

In Breguet Br.1100 or NATO competition,the company Nord submitted many proposals,two
of them unfortunately was never mentioned in the book; French Secret Projects : Post War
Fighters ?.
It was four designs and not two ?.
 

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boxkite said:
What does the question mark mean? I found a 'confirmation' for the existence of this type designation in Der Flieger 10/1953, page 225. N.1600 doesn't seem to be an error.
EDIT: Cuny also confirms the designation N.1600 in Docavia # 30.

In the same magazine a N.3100 is mentioned, unfortunately without any details. Could be to correspond with a possible misprint ('N.1300') which is described as a military transport project with turboprops, based on the N.2500 - but the real N.1300 was a sailplane - far away to be a transport ;) .
My dear Boxkite,

here is an Info about Nord N.3100,from Ailes 10/1952.
 

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