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I'm looking for the best drawings possible of what woudl be called the "definitive" Montana class battleship. I'm looking to make a 1/350 scale model, and that's big enough to make sure the details are right. I've googled around, but couldn't find much that was terribly impressive online... any web references I might have missed, or usable print references?

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Orionblamblam said:
I'm looking for the best drawings possible of what woudl be called the "definitive" Montana class battleship. I'm looking to make a 1/350 scale model, and that's big enough to make sure the details are right. I've googled around, but couldn't find much that was terribly impressive online... any web references I might have missed, or usable print references?

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Norman Friedman's "U.S. Battleships" has fairly detailed drawings.

There were also drawings in the "Spring Styles" book, which is only, although they would hardly be definitive.
 

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Ask on-line at
http://www.phpbbplanet.com/forum/index.php?mforum=warshipprojects
or I will copy your request there.
 

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what about that one?

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/67.htm
 

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Reviving this old thread, because in "Typencompass-Schlachtschiffe der US Navy" (Type guide-
Battleships of the USN) I found a preliminary drawing of the Montana class with just a single
funnel, so the superstructure a look more like the South Dakota class. This series of publications
generally isn't free from errors, so I'm not sure, if that's really related to the Montana, the
inscriptions aren't readable, too, but actually it seems to be a post-South Dakota design.
 

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IIRC that particular design is an Iowa preliminary. Originally the Iowas were just enlarged South Dakotas taking advantage of the 'escalator' clause in the London treaty to add ten thousand extra tons. As these were to be the same speed as the South Dakotas, the tonnage went into an extra turret and a bit more armor. The decision to produce a 7-8 knot faster battleship came rather late in the design process. Then it was just a South Dakota with the 10,000 extra tons spent on length, a bigger machinery plant and slightly more powerful guns and no real change in protection.
 

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I'm not so sure it's an Iowa design study. The legend says "BB-65 Scheme 4," which suggests it's a preliminary Montana, before they decided to build two additional Iowas.
 

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Match the Spring Styles schemes with the tables in Friedman's BB book and you'll have you're answer(s). Actually, the Spring Styles pages define each design as well.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s511-bb.htm

BB65-4 was from the Jan-Feb 1940 round of designs for the BB-67 class. Friedman says, and I'll paraphrase, "Designs -3 and -4 were more developed versions of an earlier set of 28 knot, 12 gun designs with 20k yard wide immunity zones, 52,500-54,500 displacements, and 5"/38s OR 5"/54s. They were designed prior to the decision to limit the draft to a max of 36 feet." They were part of round 2 of 5 of the designs studies that resulted in the final BB-67 design.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/s-file/s511-13c.htm
Scheme BB65-8 is the neatest listed in the Spring Styles in my opinion. A full 12 gun, 33 knot BB fully protected against 16" fire. Just shows what you REALLY need to make a 12 gun BB-61 while maintaining her speed and removing the shortfalls in her armor.
 

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Orionblamblam said:
I'm looking for the best drawings possible of what woudl be called the "definitive" Montana class battleship. I'm looking to make a 1/350 scale model, and that's big enough to make sure the details are right. I've googled around, but couldn't find much that was terribly impressive online... any web references I might have missed, or usable print references?

Thanks...

Here is a very good rendering. It may require registration however...

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Never%20Built%20Designs/United%20States%20of%20America/BB-67%20Montana%201948.png
 

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LSUfan said:
Orionblamblam said:
I'm looking for the best drawings possible of what woudl be called the "definitive" Montana class battleship. I'm looking to make a 1/350 scale model, and that's big enough to make sure the details are right. I've googled around, but couldn't find much that was terribly impressive online... any web references I might have missed, or usable print references?

Thanks...

Here is a very good rendering. It may require registration however...

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Never%20Built%20Designs/United%20States%20of%20America/BB-67%20Montana%201948.png
The author of that picture has revisited everything, and finalized his work. See this thread of their forum: Scroll down a bit:

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3517&start=210
 

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MihoshiK said:
LSUfan said:
Orionblamblam said:
I'm looking for the best drawings possible of what woudl be called the "definitive" Montana class battleship. I'm looking to make a 1/350 scale model, and that's big enough to make sure the details are right. I've googled around, but couldn't find much that was terribly impressive online... any web references I might have missed, or usable print references?

Thanks...

Here is a very good rendering. It may require registration however...

http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Never%20Built%20Designs/United%20States%20of%20America/BB-67%20Montana%201948.png
The author of that picture has revisited everything, and finalized his work. See this thread of their forum: Scroll down a bit:

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3517&start=210

That's pretty cool, although I have a couple of caveats:

-he included a bunch of illustrations, but other than a short label, he didn't explain what they all were. My impression is that the latter versions are his extrapolations of what the ship(s) would have looked like if they had been built based upon similar modifications made to the Iowas. For instance, the enclosed trapezoidal bridge would have been added because it was added to the Iowas (starting with a curved bridge added to New Jersey in late 1943). I can accept his interpretations, but would have liked some explanations of what they were and what we should look for.

-no top views that I saw. From the side, the Montana looks a lot like an Iowa with an extra turret. But look at it from the top and you see that it is a much wider ship. That makes clear that they did not simply put a plug into the ship to make it longer, this was an entirely new vessel with a substantially larger interior.

I know that the carrier was the new capital ship of WWII and the Montanas were impractical and wasteful. Still, it would have been amazing to see them get built.
 

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Writeup from War Is Boring

http://warisboring.com/articles/americas-super-battleships-that-never-were/
 

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This is more about the story of the various designs, with some drawings as well:
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/4124-uss-bb-67-montana-class-and-preliminaries/
 

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"Montana: Everything You Need to Know About the Super Battleship America Never Built"
by Robert Farley

July 20, 2017

Source:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/montana-everything-you-need-know-about-the-super-battleship-21603
 
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