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Messerschmitt Me 329

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Photos of the full-scale Me 329 mock-up and an original company plan (from Deutsche Zweimotorige Kampfflugzeuge im 2. Weltkrieg, Waffen Arsenal):
 

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Judging the position and shape of the wing root and that, of the canopy (though not
fully identical to most drawings), it could be the Me 265, I think.
 

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Jemiba said:
Judging the position and shape of the wing root and that, of the canopy (though not
fully identical to most drawings), it could be the Me 265, I think.
I agree. I have photos of the other mockup from five different angles and it does appear to be the later P 10/Me 265. On the inside it's got two seats side by side, one set slightly further forward than the other, and the canopy hinges open to starboard. Wurster's Me 329 was directly competing against Stender's P 10/Me 265 so having their mockups side by side makes sense.
 

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Good question, Richard!! What`s that mockup?
 

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With a nose gun, that window arrangement, long fuselage and as it seems provision
for a dorsal turret : perhaps Me 264 ?
 

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There are other WW2 German designs that would have a similar nose, but the 264 (or one of its derivatives) is the only candidate likely to appear in a Messerschmitt facility.
 

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I agree for the most part but the fuselage does not seem to be so rounded, the windows are flatter, the nose glazzing is deeper, the "Bola" gun mount is absent from the Me264, the rearward little square window is on a upper position while the Me 264 has it on a lower one. The mockup also seems to have a low wing, the Me264 had a high wing.
 

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I had wondered if it was Bf 161/162 related but it doesn't seem to quite match. The only other thought I had was perhaps a proposed variant of the Me 261?
 

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You may be right, but I'm not sure, if that girder represents the exact position of the wing,
or if the whole mockup was just built to represent the fuselage. And as it is a mockup, I
would not expect too much conformity with the real thing, as built in just two prototypes,
that may not have been either, what series aircraft would have been.
 

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Timing wise, photos of the Me 329 mock-up seem to first appear in a report in Feb 43. I would guess that it was constructed during autumn-winter 1942. By this time, three examples of the Me 261 had already been built so it seems unlikely that a mock-up of it would still be needed. The Me 264 V1 first flew in December 1942 (albeit as a 'flying mock-up' rather than a true prototype). I would guess it's a mock-up of the Me 264, which was still a work in progress at this point and for which a static mock-up might still have been useful. Such a mock-up might have catered for a range of potential alterations or alternative configurations.
 

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If the mockup at the right is the Me 265, looking at those proportions the size of the left mockup isn`t likely to be as massive as the Me 264, not counting the afore mentioned differences. I would put it in the Bomber B category or at the "Arbeitsflugzeug" program, although, AFAIK, there were no Messerschmitt tender.
 

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Wurger said:
If the mockup at the right is the Me 265, looking at those proportions the size of the left mockup isn`t likely to be as massive as the Me 264, not counting the afore mentioned differences. I would put it in the Bomber B category or at the "Arbeitsflugzeug" program, although, AFAIK, there were no Messerschmitt tender.
It could actually be something we don't otherwise know about. The Me 265 and numerous other projects might have vanished without trace had it not been for Lippisch's 1976 book. Whatever it is, it doesn't appear to have been a product of Abteilung L, which would make it a product of Voigt's main project office - and much of their work is very little known.
 

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from the Seifert/Konrad brothers stable? Their work before Messerschmitt is also intriguing.
 

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Guys, do you know why the Me 329 mockup has its landing gear on the far side of the engine while almost all drawings/models/fan art shows the landing gear on the inner side of the engine and folding forward?
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The drawings made no sense to me as the landing gear took the space needed for the pair of wing root mounted Mk 103 cannons and prevents ordinance form being carried closed to the center of the aircraft.
 

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Guys, do you know why the Me 329 mockup has its landing gear on the far side of the engine while almost all drawings/models/fan art shows the landing gear on the inner side of the engine and folding forward?
Mockup
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The drawings made no sense to me as the landing gear took the space needed for the pair of wing root mounted Mk 103 cannons and prevents ordinance form being carried closed to the center of the aircraft.
It seems there were two versions. My old model was without Mk103 canon but I've never thought about it that way
 

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Guys, do you know why the Me 329 mockup has its landing gear on the far side of the engine while almost all drawings/models/fan art shows the landing gear on the inner side of the engine and folding forward?
Mockup
View attachment 617428
View attachment 617429
Drawing
View attachment 617430
The drawings made no sense to me as the landing gear took the space needed for the pair of wing root mounted Mk 103 cannons and prevents ordinance form being carried closed to the center of the aircraft.
It seems there were two versions. My old model was without Mk103 canon but I've never thought about it that way
Is there an actual document from which we can dig further into the Me 329? I am pretty new here and am quite overwhelmed by the sheer number of paper planes I encountered, not knowing which one is fake and which real.
 
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