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Last time it was an avionics coolant line (specifically it's insulation) inside the wing fuel tanks. This time it's a fuel line on the engine.
 

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Rahhh, OK... so, ceci n'est pas une pipe*?


*Belgian humor - hint here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
 

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The RCPFH numbers for FY2019 just came in. For the most part they are stable (went up a little due to fuel costs) across the board except for the F-18C which shot up substantially. Also, the F-35B and C are on the list for the 1st time. I have added them to the graph. The plateauing of the F-35 numbers are related to the ongoing Parts/Depot issues.

 

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Nearly a day after the Pentagon grounded all U.S. F-35s, the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit and all three active Marine air wings are back to normal F-35 flight operations.
More at the jump

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/12/f-35s-with-13th-meu-and-marine-air-wings-are-back-to-normal-flight-operations-after-temporary-grounding-2/
 

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HMS Queen Elizabeth said:
Disk Brakes Engaged!
Yesterday one of our #F35 performed the Worlds first Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing.
With this capability @thef35 can land with increased fuel and munitions load resulting in less wastage.
Looks pretty cool too!
[Video]
Twitter: https://twitter.com/HMSQnlz/status/1051489641340313601
 

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More at the jump
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-aerospace-belgium/belgium-picks-lockheeds-f-35-over-eurofighter-on-price-idUKKCN1MZ1S0
 

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F-35B targeting relay to HIMARS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQCHLBVBk7A
 

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Notice how the launcher rolls into a firing position to minimize potential counter-fire damages (my guess).
 

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I don't think that rolling in has anything to do with counter-battery fire as it will not be detected until AFTER it fires. That's why it's called "shoot & scoot".
 

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Without air recon, as you say, the target has no way to detect anything but the point from where the battery did fire. Hence - to me - the offset firing position that leave all other components safe without having to be on the move. But obviously this video was shot during training.
 

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I was thinking more about detection from counter-battery radar rather than an air asset.
 

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It's well known that supersonic stealth fighters are the ideal tools for artillery spotting.
 

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LowObservable said:
It's well known that supersonic stealth fighters are the ideal tools for artillery spotting.
And that flying at 200 mph at 3,000 feet is the best way to avoid ground fire.
 

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That only works if the aircraft is within WVR range and visual LOS of the arty piece. Counter-Battery radar can back-track the trajectory based on a ballistic arc calculations well after the shell clears any LOS issues (mountains, forests, etc)

If the munition is guided (GMLRS, Excalibur, etc) then this kind of calculation is not possible as it can alter it's ballistic arc in flight.
 

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LowObservable said:
It's well known that supersonic stealth fighters are the ideal tools for artillery spotting.
Just because the F-35 can fly supersonically, doesn't mean it has to. But at least it can.
 

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Odd. You would think this old video might cause some measure of caution in casting easy dismissals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZO0T5mDYU
 

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That video is showing an "icing on the cake" feature that is really nice to have since you are going to be in the area anyways. Obviously a high-endurance drone would be a better platform in the long run. However, most drones will not have the CPU power to properly analyze the feeds on such a large scale.

Btw, the new EODAS modules coming in 2023 will give 5x the resolution of current systems.
 

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fredymac said:
Odd. You would think this old video might cause some measure of caution in casting easy dismissals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZO0T5mDYU
I remember first hearing about that and couldn't help but glee at the idea of some Macross Plus level stuff finally entering the real world. Seeing right through the floor........

 

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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/09/italy-signals-slowdown-on-f-35-orders/
 

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F-35 and QE

https://youtu.be/1So6Snrw3tQ

(nice slowdown at the end of 35 rolling out the ski ramp)

https://youtu.be/t_cKiULCLKE

(no real interest)

https://youtu.be/x-E1nkBcUC4

And one of the video posted recently has this (below). What is this?
 

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TomcatViP said:
F-35 and QE

https://youtu.be/1So6Snrw3tQ

(nice slowdown at the end of 35 rolling out the ski ramp)

https://youtu.be/t_cKiULCLKE

(no real interest)

https://youtu.be/x-E1nkBcUC4

And one of the video posted recently has this (below). What is this?
It is the BlackSwift Hypersonic Cruise Vehicle as featured in Steve Pace's Skunk Works book, the program itself was canceled.
 

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Was the rolling short landing ever attempted with the Harrier? Not sure if it was simply too dangerous to try (obviously easier with F-35B), or if it was because "Harrier carriers" were simply too small and couldn't afford to leave such space. The QE is pretty damn big, and well laid out for it's intended air compliment.
 

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https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/november-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6689-japan-set-to-procure-f-35b-stovl-aircraft-for-jmsdf-izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer.html

The Japanese government has decided to procure the F35B short take-off and vertical-landing (STOVL) stealth fighter aircraft as part of the new defense plan to be outlined next month.
In February 2018, the Yomiuri Shimbun reported that Japan was planning to acquire 40 vertical takeoff and landing F-35Bs, which could be operated from these ships with some alterations. In March this year, the ruling LDP called upon the Japanese government to develop its own aircraft carriers and operate F-35B aircraft, which has been thought to include refitting the Izumo class.
 

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Japan to order 100 more F-35 fighters from US
Nikkei staff writers
November 27, 2018 11:26 JST

TOKYO -- Japan is preparing to order another 100 F-35 stealth fighter jets from the U.S. to replace some of its aging F-15s, according to sources.

The plan can be considered a response to China's military buildup, as well as a nod to U.S. President Donald Trump's call for Tokyo to buy more American defense equipment. Japan already intended to procure 42 of the new fighters.

A single F-35 costs more than 10 billion yen ($88.1 million), meaning the additional order would exceed 1 trillion yen.

Japan's government plans to approve the purchase when it adopts new National Defense Program Guidelines at a cabinet meeting in mid-December. It will also include the F-35 order in its medium-term defense program, which covers fiscal 2019 to fiscal 2023. The government wants to obtain 42 F-35s as successors to its F-4s by fiscal 2024.

The 42 fighters Japan originally planned to buy are all F-35As, a conventional takeoff and landing variant. The additional 100 planes would include both the F-35A and F-35B, which is capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings.

At present, Japan deploys about 200 F-15s, roughly half of which cannot be upgraded. The Defense Ministry wants to replace the planes that cannot be upgraded with the 100 F-35s, while enhancing and retaining the remaining F-15s.

To accommodate the F-35Bs, the government intends to revamp the Maritime Self-Defense Force's JS Izumo helicopter carrier to host the fighters.

Japan's neighbors are busy introducing their own advanced military aircraft. China deployed its homegrown J-20 stealth fighter in February, and by 2030 some experts expect the country to build a fleet of more than 250 fifth-generation jets -- as the latest generation of fighters like the F-35 is known.

Russia, too, is expected to introduce its fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57 in 2019, at the earliest.

To keep up, Tokyo believes it is imperative to significantly increase its procurement of the most sophisticated stealth jets.

At the same time, Trump has repeatedly urged Japan to purchase more American hardware and reduce the trade imbalance between the countries. Buying more of the high-priced fighters is a quick way to do that.

In September, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told Trump, "Introducing high-performance equipment, including American [materiel], is important for our country to strengthen its defense capabilities."
 

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https://about.bgov.com/blog/f-35-combat-testing-phase-begins-15-month-delay-pentagon/
 

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198270/f_35-“stealth”-coating-wearing-off-faster-than-expected.html
 

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Deltafan said:
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198270/f_35-“stealth”-coating-wearing-off-faster-than-expected.html
But the F-35s LO was baked into the skin as people here have said.
 

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Airplane said:
Deltafan said:
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/198270/f_35-“stealth”-coating-wearing-off-faster-than-expected.html
But the F-35s LO was baked into the skin as people here have said.
There is more than one coating I'd think.
 

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Correct, there is more than one layer.

The layer that is baked in is seen as "green" in factory floor pics. This layer has more to do with electrical & heat conductivity.

There are additional layers that are "sprayed" on during the "final finishes" stage that includes the grey paint. It is this outer layer that they are talking about. It is also this layer that is designed to be maintained in the field.

https://www.businessinsider.com/f35-gets-classified-features-2015-5#the-jet-is-placed-in-one-of-two-paint-bays-where-three-laser-guided-robots-are-programmed-to-spray-ram-on-all-surfaces-except-the-tails-and-various-parts-that-are-coated-at-a-separate-area-called-the-robotic-component-finishing-system-4
https://www.f35.com/in-depth/detail/the-finishing-touch-meet-two-engineers-who-specialize-in-stealth
https://ri.cmu.edu/pub_files/2010/3/Seegmiller_SAE-2010_Precision_Robotic_Coating.pdf
 

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SpudmanWP said:
Correct, there is more than one layer.

The layer that is baked in is seen as "green" in factory floor pics.
You sure that's not the primer?
 

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It "may" be a primer applied to on top of the "baked in" coatings.

My point was that there are multiple coatings where the baked in stealth coatings are done prior to assembly and the "final finishes" coatings are done after assembly.
 

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html
The source is the daily mail, which is a total rag. Second source?
 

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sublight is back said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html
The source is the daily mail, which is a total rag. Second source?
https://www.avionews.com/item/1216943
 

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Deltafan said:
sublight is back said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html
The source is the daily mail, which is a total rag. Second source?
https://www.avionews.com/item/1216943
Who is their source?
 

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sublight is back said:
Deltafan said:
sublight is back said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html
The source is the daily mail, which is a total rag. Second source?
https://www.avionews.com/item/1216943
Who is their source?
Ask them... They have certainly mail addresses where you can contact the Daily Mail and Avionews…

But maybe you can too ask Vice Adm. Mat Winter, the head of the government’s F-35 Joint Program Office or LM Jeff Babione.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/03/06/stealth-features-responsible-for-half-of-f-35-defects-lockheed-program-head-states/

Thanks in advance for all their answers...
 

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Put it this way: if the maintenance of LO systems was as easy as was promised at contract signature, it would be the first time this has happened.
 

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Deltafan said:
sublight is back said:
Deltafan said:
sublight is back said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html
The source is the daily mail, which is a total rag. Second source?
https://www.avionews.com/item/1216943
Who is their source?
But maybe you can too ask Vice Adm. Mat Winter, the head of the government’s F-35 Joint Program Office or LM Jeff Babione.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/03/06/stealth-features-responsible-for-half-of-f-35-defects-lockheed-program-head-states/
Did they actually say anything about coating wear rates?
 
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