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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-returns-mothballed-raptor-to-fleet-440178/

The US Air Force has taken a Lockheed Martin F-22A out of storage and plans to return the Raptor to flying status by the end of this year, the service confirms to FlightGlobal.

The service’s fiscal year 2018 budget justification documents states the F-22 programme will add another operational test aircraft to the fleet by taking one aircraft out of flyable storage.

The USAF selected F-22 serial number 91-4006, an engineering, manufacturing and development model aircraft with a Block 10 avionics configuration. It has been parked at Edwards Air Force Base, California.

Modifications worth $25 million to upgrade the parked Raptor to a Block 20 avionics standard have already started, a USAF spokeswoman tells FlightGlobal. The service will also modify basic systems including hydraulic, electrical and flight controls.
4006 was the ship in the background of my profile picture. We UCLA aerospace engineering undergrads were given a special tour of Edwards AFB last year, and we even got a talk with a test pilot, nicknamed C-dip (can't remember his name, unfortunately). At the time 4006 was missing the Sidewinder launch rails and was noticeably dusty and showed signs of wear and tear. 4009 was the other aircraft parked in the hanger, and that one's exterior colors are much closer to production aircraft.

I actually still have some mental notes that I took from the tour last year, I'll try to compile it and type it up here.
 

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Steven said:
The US Air Force has taken a Lockheed Martin F-22A out of storage and plans to return the Raptor to flying status by the end of this year, the service confirms to FlightGlobal.
To celebrate next month 20 years since F-22A first flight? :p
No new production most probably, but at least one additional will get airborn (again).
 

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Air Force weighs cost to upgrade 34 F-22 trainers to combat configuration

The Air Force estimates it would cost $1.7 billion to convert 34 older-model F-22 training jets to an operational configuration that is homogenous with today's Block 30 Raptor fleet.
 

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bobbymike said:
Air Force weighs cost to upgrade 34 F-22 trainers to combat configuration

The Air Force estimates it would cost $1.7 billion to convert 34 older-model F-22 training jets to an operational configuration that is homogenous with today's Block 30 Raptor fleet.

50M a pop. Evidently there's a lot to upgrade. Seems like a no brainer.

Another squadron and a (almost) a half.

I wonder what the timeline would be? Seems I've been hearing that the depots are all backed up.
 

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What block upgrade would the 34 training jets get to bring them up to combat configuration?? Anyone know or hear? ok block 30 i see now! Wonder how long that would take? They are upgrading a mothballed block 10 to a training block 20 this year and that is taking about 4 to 5 months i think
 

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http://warisboring.com/f-22-raptors-over-syria-acting-as-flying-scouts/
 

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bobbymike said:
http://warisboring.com/f-22-raptors-over-syria-acting-as-flying-scouts/
I've been comparing the F-22's operational potential to a scout sniper for a long time now. Nice to see someone else drawing the same comparison.
 

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http://airman.dodlive.mil/2017/10/05/airframe-the-f-22-raptor/
 

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http://forgodandcountry.com/aviation/watch-an-f-22-raptor-take-on-an-a-4-skyhawk-in-a-dogfight/?utm_source=MA

Turn and burn Mav!!

Near where they filmed Top Gun. Years ago I posited "Top Gun II: Raptor Flight"
 

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Damaged F-22 makes comeback after six-year repair job

A Lockheed Martin F-22 grounded since a trainee pilot’s error led to a crash landing in May 2012 could be ready to return to service next March after a nearly six-year-long repair job, according to a new US Air force document.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/damaged-f-22-makes-comeback-after-six-year-repair-jo-444022/
 

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Flyaway said:
Damaged F-22 makes comeback after six-year repair job

A Lockheed Martin F-22 grounded since a trainee pilot’s error led to a crash landing in May 2012 could be ready to return to service next March after a nearly six-year-long repair job, according to a new US Air force document.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/damaged-f-22-makes-comeback-after-six-year-repair-jo-444022/
Sounds like quite a lot of effort for a jet we only needed 187 of and then quit production. /sarc.
 

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It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
 

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Harrier said:
It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
Giving it to Northrop Grumman rather than the Phantom Works would probably be a better bet. That FB-23 would be real useful about now. (Though probably left behind in comparison to the PCA being developed.)
 

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sferrin said:
Harrier said:
It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
Giving it to Northrop Grumman rather than the Phantom Works would probably be a better bet.
Guess it depends on which data rights the US government purchased and which were on offer.
 

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marauder2048 said:
sferrin said:
Harrier said:
It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
Giving it to Northrop Grumman rather than the Phantom Works would probably be a better bet.
Guess it depends on which data rights the US government purchased and which were on offer.
Maybe they're trying to throw Boeing a bone. ??? Doesn't make sense to pick them over Northrop.
 

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sferrin said:
marauder2048 said:
sferrin said:
Harrier said:
It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
Giving it to Northrop Grumman rather than the Phantom Works would probably be a better bet.
Guess it depends on which data rights the US government purchased and which were on offer.
Maybe they're trying to throw Boeing a bone. ??? Doesn't make sense to pick them over Northrop.
Maybe Northrop has already done similar avionics/sensor work under another black program(s)....
 

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Harrier said:
It used to be said that the best replacement for the Buccaneer would be an updated Buccaneer.

Seems some in the USAF may feel the same about the F-22:

http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-next-generation-fighter-aircraft-build-out-air-combat-capability-by-shaping-a-21st-century-version-of-the-century-aircraft/

Give the Skunk Works and the Phantom Works one each and 3 years....
Michael Wynne was United States Secretary of the Air Force during the George W Bush administration from 2005 to 2008. The incumbent United States Secretary of the Air Force is Heather Wilson. Are any decision makers currently listening to Wynne's opinions?
 

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Wynne is still very active in the AFA and Air Force leadership does at least hear him out.

On a related matter: interesting interview with former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill McPeak (F-22 related excerpt below).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sd-me-mcpeak-speaks-20171113-story.html

Carl Prine: As an outsider, maybe I’m looking at this as you don’t get all the credit you
deserve for doing some good things and you get too much blame for other things. I don’t think
you get enough credit for the F-22. You were driving a lot of that.

Merrill McPeak: Right. And including trying to convince Obama. I spent ‘08 in Iowa, in
the snows of Iowa, introducing Obama in high school gymnasiums. And when we get back
into the van to drive to the next stop, we’d watch basketball. And I’d try to get a word in
edgewise about the F-22.

Then he went and canceled it.

Carl Prine: That was (Secretary of Defense Bob) Gates.

Merrill McPeak: That was Gates. Don’t even get me started on that.

Carl Prine: I think he might be the most overrated Secretary of Defense ever. I really do.

Merrill McPeak: You and I should go have a beer!

Carl Prine: Gates was a great politician.

Merrill McPeak: I can think of no national security problem that was improved by Bob
Gates. But his main virtue was that he wasn’t Don Rumsfeld.
 

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marauder2048 said:
Wynne is still very active in the AFA and Air Force leadership does at least hear him out.

On a related matter: interesting interview with former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill McPeak (F-22 related excerpt below).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/sd-me-mcpeak-speaks-20171113-story.html

Carl Prine: As an outsider, maybe I’m looking at this as you don’t get all the credit you
deserve for doing some good things and you get too much blame for other things. I don’t think
you get enough credit for the F-22. You were driving a lot of that.

Merrill McPeak: Right. And including trying to convince Obama. I spent ‘08 in Iowa, in
the snows of Iowa, introducing Obama in high school gymnasiums. And when we get back
into the van to drive to the next stop, we’d watch basketball. And I’d try to get a word in
edgewise about the F-22.

Then he went and canceled it.

Carl Prine: That was (Secretary of Defense Bob) Gates.

Merrill McPeak: That was Gates. Don’t even get me started on that.

Carl Prine: I think he might be the most overrated Secretary of Defense ever. I really do.

Merrill McPeak: You and I should go have a beer!

Carl Prine: Gates was a great politician.

Merrill McPeak: I can think of no national security problem that was improved by Bob
Gates. But his main virtue was that he wasn’t Don Rumsfeld.
I particularly enjoyed the honest comments of the F-35.
 

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Watch this F-22 slam on the brakes at 0:36. :eek:

https://youtu.be/XOV_ovsq8HE?t=36s
 

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Flyaway said:
Damaged F-22 makes comeback after six-year repair job

A Lockheed Martin F-22 grounded since a trainee pilot’s error led to a crash landing in May 2012 could be ready to return to service next March after a nearly six-year-long repair job, according to a new US Air force document.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/damaged-f-22-makes-comeback-after-six-year-repair-jo-444022/
If a pilot does a belly landing in war the jet is out unless the war lasts longer than 6 years? That seems too long a time to repair.
 

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NeilChapman said:
Flyaway said:
Damaged F-22 makes comeback after six-year repair job

A Lockheed Martin F-22 grounded since a trainee pilot’s error led to a crash landing in May 2012 could be ready to return to service next March after a nearly six-year-long repair job, according to a new US Air force document.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/damaged-f-22-makes-comeback-after-six-year-repair-jo-444022/
If a pilot does a belly landing in war the jet is out unless the war lasts longer than 6 years? That seems too long a time to repair.
Sounds like an exercise in engineering.

BTW, how many years have we been at war right now?
 

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/us-f-22-raptors-fire-flares-chase-russian-fighters-out-of-deconfliction-zone-over-syria/article/2643497

I'm sure they were keeping up international relations.............ya know giving them the bird
 

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BTW, how many years have we been at war right now?
By the definition you're implying? Zero.
 

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bobbymike said:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/us-f-22-raptors-fire-flares-chase-russian-fighters-out-of-deconfliction-zone-over-syria/article/2643497

I'm sure they were keeping up international relations.............ya know giving them the bird
Any idea how close they got? That would be awesome video if it's like the stuff we see of Sukhois flying off the wingtips of our 'spy' planes.

Also, why wouldn't just use Eagles for this role instead of giving Russians up close experience with Raptors?
 

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Any idea how close they got? That would be awesome video if it's like the stuff we see of Sukhois flying off the wingtips of our 'spy' planes.
There is a very strong possibility that a video of this incidence exists. ;)
 

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bring_it_on said:
Any idea how close they got? That would be awesome video if it's like the stuff we see of Sukhois flying off the wingtips of our 'spy' planes.
There is a very strong possibility that a video of this incidence exists. ;)
Call me crazy, but I think the Ruskies may actually try to take out an F-22 by "accidentally" bumping into one... What rules (do we know of) are our aviators flying with when the Russians do something stupid like try to barrel roll over a -22?
 

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Airplane said:
bring_it_on said:
Any idea how close they got? That would be awesome video if it's like the stuff we see of Sukhois flying off the wingtips of our 'spy' planes.
There is a very strong possibility that a video of this incidence exists. ;)
Call me crazy, but I think the Ruskies may actually try to take out an F-22 by "accidentally" bumping into one... What rules (do we know of) are our aviators flying with when the Russians do something stupid like try to barrel roll over a -22?
Do you honestly believe F-22 pilots are dumb enough to let that happen? An F-22 isn't a P-3.
 

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sferrin said:
Airplane said:
bring_it_on said:
Any idea how close they got? That would be awesome video if it's like the stuff we see of Sukhois flying off the wingtips of our 'spy' planes.
There is a very strong possibility that a video of this incidence exists. ;)
Call me crazy, but I think the Ruskies may actually try to take out an F-22 by "accidentally" bumping into one... What rules (do we know of) are our aviators flying with when the Russians do something stupid like try to barrel roll over a -22?
Do you honestly believe F-22 pilots are dumb enough to let that happen? An F-22 isn't a P-3.
Obviously not, but what are rules they fly under when the Russians get too close? It's a valid question regardless of what you think.
 

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ON CNN, there was the specific mention that the 22 pilot had to manoeuvre to prevent a collision attempt.

"One Su-25 flew close enough to an F-22A that it had to aggressively maneuver to avoid a midair collision,"
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/14/politics/us-f-22-intercept-russian-jets-syria/index.html
Yep. Which would indicate they wouldn't just fly straight and dumb waiting to get hit. Also, I'm sure they'll be watching for the possibility going forward.
 

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If you don't believe there are rules in place on how to handle aggressive Russians just because our pilots are not dumb, then whatever.
 

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If you don't believe there are rules in place on how to handle aggressive Russians just because our pilots are not dumb, then whatever.
You're the one who can't seem to decide if F-22 pilots are stupid enough to allow a Frogfoot to ram them.
 

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sferrin said:
Airplane said:
If you don't believe there are rules in place on how to handle aggressive Russians just because our pilots are not dumb, then whatever.
You're the one who can't seem to decide if F-22 pilots are stupid enough to allow a Frogfoot to ram them.
I'm guessing there are two rules...

1. Always be ready to kill the other guy.
2. Don't do stupid shit.

It's likely that "don't allow the other guy to ram your plane" falls under the 2nd rule.

An F-22 is likely to negate entire squadrons of enemy aircraft. This fact is obviously not unknown to Raptor drivers. But I would doubt there are "specific" rules just for F-22's. All US fighter pilots would frown upon losing their ride for a bit of bump and tickle at 25k feet.
 
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