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Baltimore Sun wire photo of Lockheed Constellation model photograph found on eBay.

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Lockheed XW2V-1 concept model found on eBay.

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ULTRA RARE - PERHAPS ONE OF A KIND LARGE Lockheed XW2V-1 AEW Turboprop US Navy early warning prototype aircraft. Proposed naval development with new features such as four Allison T56-A8 turboprop engines. This is an "In House" model from Lockheed. Not a Topping or Precise model. Large 29" wingspan. Model is near mint with two small imperfections on each tip tank. (see photos). Great decals, paint, original stand.

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The XW2V-1 was a planned radar version of the WV-2 with the Starliner's wings for the US Navy. It would have included four Allison T56-A8 engines and missiles for protection against attackers. Considerably different than its predecessors, given the production designation Lockheed L-084.
 

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Hi,


L-149 L-049 conversion to include extra wing fuel tanks for a longer range.Production
versions were planned for Pan Am, but none were ever produced.
L-249 Company designation for the XB-30 bomber. Project cancelled in favor of the Boeing B-29.
L-349 Company designation for the C-69B. None built.
L-449 Unknown proposed civilian airliner version.
L-549 Company designation for the C-69C. One built.
L-849 Planned version of the L-749, which would have had Wright R-3350 TurboCompounds.
L-949 Speedfreighter combi version of the L-849 with an 18 ft 4in fuselage stretch.
L-1149 A planned Allision turboprop version of the L-1049G and L-1049H.
L-1449 as the old post.
L-1549 unbuilt project to stretch L-1449, 95 in (240 cm).
L-1649B Planned turboprop version of the L-1649A.
 

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Three more pics:
 

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Hi,


from the book; Lockheed Constellation,by Jim Winchster.
 

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Here is the rest of Constellation projects;


C-69A was a troop transport with a different internal layout than C-69.


C-69D was a VIP transport version,with different engines,also with different
extra oil and fuel tanks.


L-749B proposed a turboprop version.


L-1049J was a version of L-1049H/02 with lengthened wingspan and an extra
fuel tank.


L-1249B was an airliner version,based on L-1249A,with L-1049E based fuselage
and P&W PT2F-1 turboprops.
 

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1249 A :proposed civil freighter version of R7V2 with PT2F-1 (civil T34) turboprops
source :Air Enthusiast nr. fourteen.
 

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A great what if in civil air transport was 1946 Bristol/L-049 licence.


L-049 stimulated Brabazon Type III Empire, which was firstly Interim, bomber-variant Avro Tudor and HP Hermes, which were known to be too heavy to be competitive. But UK had a Unique Selling Proposition:(propellor-) turbines! Many schemes ended up as Bristol T.175 Britannia with Proteus. But onway, 1944-47, Avro, HP and Vickers-Armstrongs offered lures that Bristol Aeroplane could not match, diverted onto L-89 (XR6O-1) Constitution-sized T.167 Brabazon I. From 13/7/46 BOAC operated 5 L-049 from Bristol/Whitchurch, maintained by BOAC Engineering/Filton. Many more were wanted but UK had no $.

To defeat new Type III schemes, Bristol pitched licence-built Centaurus/ Constellation, to be followed by Theseus/Constellation. By early 1947 notions of a Medium Bomber were gaining traction. Clearly Avro and HP would be contenders, maybe V-A too. MoS saw benefit in keeping the Big Bomber firms free to do a Big Bomber, and putting BOAC's Empire into Bristol. It helped that the MP for Bristol E. was the President of the Board of Trade, who therefore supported a bid to Treasury for $. Cabinet rejected this on 22/4/47. Consolation came to Bristol, after Mediums were awarded to everybody-but-Bristol, as T.175, initially Centaurus, then Proteus.


A Theseus/L-749B in Service 1951-ish, no doubt followed by a Proteus/L-1049...Wow!
 

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from :The Classic Civil aircraft series.Volume about the
Lockheed Constellation.

1249A/1249B and 1449-1549 :all Lockheed unbuilt projects only...

It seems that there is much confusion about 1249/1249A and 1249B.
Most serious -printed- sources do not use the prefix ' L ' in relation to the Model 49 evolution.
 

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You are right my dear Lark,


in anther book about Constellation,they didn't mention the L-1249.
 

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Hi,


also the CL-257 or Lockheed Model 84,the US Navy W2V-1 project.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,


also the CL-257 or Lockheed Model 84,the US Navy W2V-1 project.


And a drawing for it.
 

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I have some pics of the CL-410 taken crudely from the old Discovery 'Wings' series' episode on the Constellation. My pics are too large to post but I'm happy to email them to hesham or someone else who can reduce them and post them. Thanks.
 

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OK Famvburg,


that's very nice,please send them to me on that E-mail;


hasann_hesham@yahoo.com
 

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famvburg said:
I have some pics of the CL-410 ...

Perhaps it looks somehow like this , just a kind of puzzle using the given
dscription in heshams post.
 

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Jemiba said:
famvburg said:
I have some pics of the CL-410 ...

Perhaps it looks somehow like this , just a kind of puzzle using the given
dscription in heshams post.

Close (see CL-410-10).
 

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Excellent my dear Scott,


and thank you Famvburg,I received your message,and I re-size the picture
to be suitable for displaying,here it's;
 

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Glad you got the pics and thanks for re-sizing and posting them. One of these days I am going to figure out how to do that myself. :)
 

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Lockheed CL-257 (USN W2V-1) late-1956 factory model, based on the L-1649 Starliner, but with turboprops and wingtip jets. This last Constellation also lost its signature triple fin (although the XW2V-1 still had it.)
 

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Oh my God,that's better,thank you Circle-5.
 

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As I mentioned above, the Lockheed CL-257 / W2V-1 proposal was initially equipped with three verticals. Wind tunnel tests determined the center fin performance was negatively affected by the radar pylon ahead of it, and it was eliminated. The empennage was then enlarged and extensively reconfigured with all-metal, twin verticals. Here is a factory model of the W2V-1 with the original L-1649 Starliner tail configuration.
 

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Awesome photos and models, as usual! Thanks for giving us a better look at that unbuilt Warning Star.
 

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This group of Lockheed factory models covers most of the AEW Constellation's 7-year evolution. Counter-clockwise, from right:

Lockheed PO-1W (2 built): modified L-749A Constellation airliners, 1949
Lockheed WV-2 (142 built): modified L-1049 Super Constellation airliners, 1953
Lockheed WV-2E (1 built): modified EC-121K Warning Star, 1955
Lockheed W2V-1 (none built): L-084 / highly modified L-1649 Starliner, 1956

Notes about the models:

The PO-1W is a very early design, not yet equipped with the lengthened-nose weather radar.
The WV-2E (EC-121L) has an unknown dorsal blister ahead of the rotodome. I do not believe the -2E was ever equipped with this.
 

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Cl-410-15, 1959


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From Le Fana 86.
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Cl-410-15, 1959


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKHEED-FOLDER-WITH-CALAC-DATA-SHEETS-/301112017735

Wow Paul, very interesting find!!
Can I ask if anyone has more on this AEW derivative of the L-188 Electra (I'm assuming its a direct development of the L-188 :-\)

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Cl-410-15, 1959


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKHEED-FOLDER-WITH-CALAC-DATA-SHEETS-/301112017735

Gentlemen, does anyone know what the radar was depicted on this Lockheed CL-410-15 ALRI [DATA Sheet] proposal?

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Pioneer said:
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
Cl-410-15, 1959


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOCKHEED-FOLDER-WITH-CALAC-DATA-SHEETS-/301112017735

Gentlemen, does anyone know what the radar was depicted on this Lockheed CL-410-15 ALRI [DATA Sheet] proposal?

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Anyone :eek: :p


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Ok gents, just thought Id let you know that I've just sent off an email to Lockheed Martin in the attempt...the hope that I can get more information on the Lockheed CL-410-10/15 ALRI design proposal pitched to both the USN and USAF in what looks like 1959.

Fingers crossed they show some favour to this request, and Ill naturally post anything (if anything) I get in response!


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What is it? Torpedo? Really?

From State Library of New South Wales.
Dropping a torpedo from a Qantas Super Constellation
http://digital.sl.nsw.gov.au/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=FL1036308&embedded=true&toolbar=false
http://digital.sl.nsw.gov.au/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=FL1029511&embedded=true&toolbar=false
 

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Probably a life raft.
 

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Also from Ailes 12/1947.
 

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Hesham, what is that? Any description?
 

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Antonio said:
Hesham, what is that? Any description?

OK my dear Antonio.
 

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