Kaiser Tailless Airplane

[FarSight]

Here is quite interesting cargo aircraft project by Kaiser Cargo Inc. It may have been studied parallel to Hughes HK-1 Hercules:

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/kaiser-tailless-airplane/

NACA report(very technical...) as PDF:

http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1946/naca-wr-l-531.pdf

 

[Orionblamblam]

Here is quite interesting cargo aircraft project by Kaiser Cargo Inc. It may have been studied parallel to Hughes HK-1 Hercules:

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/kaiser-tailless-airplane/

Well, THAT was rude. That article was a cut-and-paste (without attribution) from the prototype issue of APR:
http://www.up-ship.com/apr/v0n0.pdf

 

[FarSight]

Copycat...

Sorry, Orionblamblam. I should have been more careful with that.

"That article was a cut-and-paste (without attribution) from the prototype issue of APR"

It certainly seems to be. Have you contacted the person running that website and should the link be deleted?

 

[Orionblamblam]

Re: Copycat...

Sorry, Orionblamblam. I should have been more careful with that.

Hardly something that most people woudl recognize. Hell, I had to read it twice before I realized that I wrote the thing, prit near 10 years ago.

Have you contacted the person running that website and should the link be deleted?

Shouldn't be deleted... it should, though, have a link to *my* website added. If someone's gonna use my work, they aughtta give me free advertising.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the NASA four engined bomber projects of 1948,one had twin
boom and the other all wing configurations.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930082266_1993082266.pdf

 

[lark]

The twinboom must also be a Kaiser concept I think.
Both planes used the same wing (page 23 of the paper)

 

[Tophe]

Thanks for this twin-boom new discovery... ;D

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the tailless aircraft was called Kaiser Model 36 of 1943,
and the project of 1944 was called V6.

http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/File:LMAL_35846.jpg

 

[Retrofit]

GREAT!
Thanks Hesham

 

[Stargazer2006]

the tailless aircraft was called Kaiser Model 36 of 1943,
and the project of 1944 was called V6.

Thanks hesham for sharing these. I had kept it on the side myself until we could identify them properly (I'm actually puzzled by the "36" designation since Kaiser had become "Kaiser-Fleetwings" by then, and there is already a Fleetwings 36 model that had NOTHING to do with it...).

 

[hesham]

You are right my dear Stargazer,

the Model 36 was a NASA Model,and not for Kaiser;

The History of NASA Langley Research Center - NASA

crgis.ndc.nasa.gov

 

[Tophe]

The Convair B-36 Peacemaker also started as Consolidated "Model 36" if I remember correctly.

 

[Stargazer2006]

Well, yeah. But then I guess most manufacturers had a "Model 36" at some point (McDonnell's Voodoo family, for instance, were all Model 36 variants). The trouble here arose from the fact that it was associated to Kaiser, and since Fleetwings (the sister company) already had a Model 36 it made that designation unlikely. Now we know that the bomber was "model 36" as in "scale model #36" for this NASA wind tunnel, not an actual Kaiser model number.

 

[Retrofit]

Ooops! Problem :

The History of NASA Langley Research Center - NASA

crgis.ndc.nasa.gov

 

[Stargazer2006]

Surprise surprise... The boomless four-engined flying-wing pictured further above may not have been a bomber after all...

A page containing 22 photographs describes it clearly as the "Kaiser Cargo Wing"...

The History of NASA Langley Research Center - NASA

crgis.ndc.nasa.gov

 

[Stargazer2006]

As for the twin-boom version, lots of photos are available too.

It would be nice if a moderator could modify the title of this topic AND move it to "pre-war projects", as the NASA website clearly gives 1945 as the date for the Cargo Wing tests and 1946 for the twin-boom version. Thanks!

http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/Test_163:_Kaiser_Wing_with_Tail
http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/Test_174:_Kaiser-Twin_Boom

Is it just me, or does the twin-boom variant seem to have "Burnelli" written all over it?!? :

 

[Retrofit]

Cargo...

 

[Antonio]

renamed topic

 

[Orionblamblam]

Surprise surprise... The boomless four-engined flying-wing pictured further above may not have been a bomber after all...

Errrr... who exactly was surprised by this?

http://www.up-ship.com/apr/v0n0.pdf

 

[Stargazer2006]

Oh... NOW I know where I'd seen that design before... :

 

[Grey Havoc]

Re: Copycat...

Shouldn't be deleted... it should, though, have a link to *my* website added. If someone's gonna use my work, they aughtta give me free advertising.

Link and credit has been added since then.

 

[hesham]

Anther Kaiser tailless aircraft was discovered by my dear Tophe;

The Canadian patent CA444175 of 1947.

 

[Stargazer2006]

Anther Kaiser tailless aircraft was discovered by my dear Tophe;
The Canadian patent CA444175 of 1947.

Doesn't look like another one. To me it's the same cargo design that was patented previously in the United States.
When you plan to produce something and want to protect your work, it makes sense to have it patented in several countries.

 

[hesham]

That's right my dear.

 

[hesham]

the Kaiser four engined bomber projects of 1948,one had twin
boom and the other all wing configurations.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930082266_1993082266.pdf

Hi.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

The History of NASA Langley Research Center - NASA

crgis.ndc.nasa.gov

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Here is quite interesting cargo aircraft project by Kaiser Cargo Inc. It may have been studied parallel to Hughes HK-1 Hercules:

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/2007/09/08/kaiser-tailless-airplane/

NACA report(very technical...) as PDF:

http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1946/naca-wr-l-531.pdf

We spoke about this before FarSight,


please merge those topics;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5261.msg41739.html#msg41739

I agree. And by the way, I found another wind tunnel model of the Kaiser Tailless Cargo Flying Wing at this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/gb7wix

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/gb7wix/kaiser_tailless_airplane_a_proposed_cargo/

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Merged topics

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the NASA four engined bomber projects of 1948,one had twin
boom and the other all wing configurations.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930082266_1993082266.pdf

How to get this PDF again ?.

 

[Apophenia]

How to get this PDF again ?.

Wayback Machine

 

[publiusr]

This might need revisiting. Today's steel containers serving AS wing boxes with composite add-ons?

 

[hesham]

Thank you dear Apophenia,

and in conclusion,was it a bomber or a freighter and cargo aircraft ?.

 

[Apophenia]

... and in conclusion,was it a bomber or a freighter and cargo aircraft ?.

Well, there's a hint in the Kaiser Cargo, Inc. company name Besides, Henry Kaiser's wartime interest had been in ferrying troops and cargo. But this all-wing concept seems to have been more of an aerodynamic feasibility study.

But, if your question referred to NACA Technical Note No. 1649 ... no mention is made of roles in that report (indeed, there's not even any mention of Kaiser). This Langley report's October 1948 date is important - its two and a half years after Kaiser provided their 1/7th scale model to NACA for wind tunnel testing.

The October 1948 authors Brewer and May were primarily concerned with measuring the stability of twin-boomed aircraft. So, as was common at NACA/NASA, they modified an existing, surplus-to-requirements wind tunnel model - in this case, the 'Kaiser Tailless Airplane'. Thereby, the original "all-wing airplane" model (or its 1946 data) could be used as a control for later comparison with that 1/7th model modified into a twin-boomed configuration.

 

[ACResearcher]

I'm not sure I'd worry about the 1948 release date on the Kaiser report. I've found numerous NACA reports that were written several years prior to their official release date. I don't know if that is the case here, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. You will also find this on many WWII-era patent applications, where the application date is several years prior to the "official" release date, I suspect for security reasons.

AlanG

 

[Apophenia]

Good points. I made the assumption that the later date may explain the (twin-boomed) modifications to a wind tunnel model which had already served its primary purpose. And, of course, you what they say about assumptions ...

 

[Bill S]

Found this during my last NARA visit. Kaiser Flying Wing Cargo Proposal that might add to this conversation with a drawing and some details.