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Japanese next generation fighter study (aka i3, F-3)

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Turkey and India? ... simply forget it!
why not India?
Japan is currently trying to sell them the US-2 and they're trying to form some kind of defense agreements mostly aimed towards China
 

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The XF9-1 could be an interesting retrofit for Japanese F-15s. A high bypass derivative would make sense too.
 

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Would maybe see Japan trying to sell the F-3 on the market to allied countries, only a couple could afford.
India could buy a few F-3 to supplement the MCA whenever that get's built and delivered to frontline squadrons.
 

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Only if Japan will be much more willing for tech transfer than Russia.
 

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Only if Japan will be much more willing for tech transfer than Russia.
Then again, Japan could offer India an international variant, much like what Russia did to the Su-30MK series.
 

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Oh please .... this is as likely as Germany will develop independently a 6th generation type without any foreign partner and Great Britain would happily purchase it as the €F-successor! ;)

Japan developing a new fighter alone is a major issue but given India's more than unique - to express it mildly - purchase and acquisition process especially demanding either "made in India" or to get full ToT, it is impossible.
 
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Oh please .... this is as likely as Germany will get develop independently an 6th generation type without any foreign partner and Great Britain would happily purchase it as the €F-successor!

Japan developing a new fighter alone is a major issue but given India's more than unique - to express it mildly - purchase and acquisition process especially demanding either "made in India" or to get full ToT, it is impossible.
Also there are likely to be technologies in it making it undesirable to sell it to a whole host of countries.
 

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Japan widens foreign access to F-X fighter project

Uh...kind of difficult choice between UK and US. As both not only have their own 6th Gen but also, if any prospect of export desired, it would be difficult to do so as client country might not necessarily serve the interest of either or both US-UK based firms. The US for example may deny export license for components which could be crippling the prospect.
 

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Japan widens foreign access to F-X fighter project

Uh...kind of difficult choice between UK and US. As both not only have their own 6th Gen but also, if any prospect of export desired, it would be difficult to do so as client country might not necessarily serve the interest of either or both US-UK based firms. The US for example may deny export license for components which could be crippling the prospect.
US largely considers itself responsible for maintaining territorial integrity of Japan through its own security umbrella.

In an age of ever growing threat from China, the lawmakers in US may have enough impetus to allow the sale of a few complementing technologies that japan has a hard time coming through on, given that japan is largely going solo on the program which will help share the security burden with the US forces.

In the past, the sale of these controlled technologies (F-22) was not encouraged since the threat criticality in the region was low, and focus on NATO was comparitively higher.

However , the changing focus of US armed forces and their doctrines may definitely result in equivalent changes in sharing responsibility and work share with allies.
 

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US largely considers itself responsible for maintaining territorial integrity of Japan through its own security umbrella.

In an age of ever growing threat from China, the lawmakers in US may have enough impetus to allow the sale of a few complementing technologies that japan has a hard time coming through on, given that japan is largely going solo on the program which will help share the security burden with the US forces.

In the past, the sale of these controlled technologies (F-22) was not encouraged since the threat criticality in the region was low, and focus on NATO was comparitively higher.

However , the changing focus of US armed forces and their doctrines may definitely result in equivalent changes in sharing responsibility and work share with allies.
The problem is not the US-Japan relationship. It will start when Japan Wants to Export the fighter overseas. e.g India or other country. The US May relax export license to Japan... BUT they can deny or even meddling around when Japan wants to export F-3 into some other nation.

And let's remember that US also sells F-35. Now let's assume India is holding a Stealth fighter tender and US offers F-35 while Japan offers F-3. India choose F-3. US can then proceed to apply pressure by denying components to India over some perhaps a make up reason. I believe this is something the Japan dont want.
 

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US largely considers itself responsible for maintaining territorial integrity of Japan through its own security umbrella.

In an age of ever growing threat from China, the lawmakers in US may have enough impetus to allow the sale of a few complementing technologies that japan has a hard time coming through on, given that japan is largely going solo on the program which will help share the security burden with the US forces.

In the past, the sale of these controlled technologies (F-22) was not encouraged since the threat criticality in the region was low, and focus on NATO was comparitively higher.

However , the changing focus of US armed forces and their doctrines may definitely result in equivalent changes in sharing responsibility and work share with allies.
The problem is not the US-Japan relationship. It will start when Japan Wants to Export the fighter overseas. e.g India or other country. The US May relax export license to Japan... BUT they can deny or even meddling around when Japan wants to export F-3 into some other nation.

And let's remember that US also sells F-35. Now let's assume India is holding a Stealth fighter tender and US offers F-35 while Japan offers F-3. India choose F-3. US can then proceed to apply pressure by denying components to India over some perhaps a make up reason. I believe this is something the Japan dont want.
Realistically, such a situation where Japan and US run into competition for foreign contracts is extremely far fetched.

We haven't seen any major defense exports by Japan even in areas where they hold all IP rights. Considering that, most of cutting edge developments in japan's defense sector are most likely meant to stay within their borders.
 

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Given that we can't reasonably today envision another exportable stealth design from the USA other than the F-35 (and this idea alone would have been inconcevable only 20 years ago) it would be doubtful that a competition see a much larger design as the Japan F3 compete against the F-35. Even in India.

However, in a near future Japan's F3 could be seen as a potent opponent to the Su-57 or an export version of the J-20 on the market.
 

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Further to comments above Is there ANY significant indication that Japan is in any way particularly focused on or prioritising the export potential of the”F-3”?
To an extent that would prevent co-operation/ technology share with the US?
I’m not aware of any, and any such course of action appears highly unlikely and would be likely highly self-defeating given the major and certain down-side and highly uncertain and limited up-side of adopting such a course.
 

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Japan widens foreign access to F-X fighter project

Uh...kind of difficult choice between UK and US. As both not only have their own 6th Gen but also, if any prospect of export desired, it would be difficult to do so as client country might not necessarily serve the interest of either or both US-UK based firms. The US for example may deny export license for components which could be crippling the prospect.
Apart from that it’s almost 99 percent certain that Japan would/ will go for the US and not the UK.
Objectively really not that hard a choice at all...
 

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Minister of Defense Taro Kono said at a regular press conference today that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. will apply for the next fighter system integration, and plans to contract in October after examination.

He also stated that there were seven foreign companies wishing to support integration, but at this stage the company name was not disclosed. EgzBPIzU8AMs0Q4.jpeg.jpg
 

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Did they pick the yf-23 lookalike layout? It would be nice to see it become a reality.
 
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