CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
- May 26, 2006
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Jemiba said:The Fiat Cr.44 and the CANSA glider seem at least to have doubled as torpedo bombers.
BTW, hesham, it would be better, if you'll give the precise link to the page, where you found
those projects, not just the cover page. Seems to be chronologically structured, but there
are lots of pages and we could get more information quicker then, via an online translator,
as far, as we don't know the russian language.
BTW, samples of the Japanese Secret Projects book and of Flitzers artwork, too, can be found,
perhaps one of our native russian speaking members can check, if at least credit is given ?
lucamax said:Dear Friends,
According to Aerofan N°100/2007 the Fiat Cr.44 was a project to realize a new "Fighter-Bomber" around the Gioiosa A.44 engine, that it was a succesor of the experimental engine A.40 (Gioiosa is better know as one the fathers of the First Fiat 500 "Topolino"). In the article is said the A.40 engine should have had a power at least of 1.920 hp at 6.000 meters and it was a 24 "X" pistons. According to Gioiosa, only 2 prototype of that engine have been built. The engine Fiat A.44, however, is very little know, and in the source is said only that the projects of the engine, never realized, started probably in the 1941and it was a 32 "X" pistons of 2.400 hp at 4.500 meters. Based on the new engine, Celestino Rosatelli, probably as a private venture, started even in 1941 the design of a new modern all-metal fighter with retractable carriage and a very complex strucutre. The aircraft would have a very big dimensions, with 15.6 m of wingspan, and a double contrary-rotating propeller. The armament of the aircraft was about 4 machineguns of 12.7 mm and 2 guns of 20 mm (all in the wings), plus the possibility of add a bomb of 500 kg. No data arrived about the performance, but the author of the article (Marco Comelli) says that the aircraft could reach probably 660 km/h.
Said that, the aircraft rule is obscure till now: according to the Aerofan iussue, in fact, the Cr.44 should be used like a fighter, the wingload was the same of the G.55, and used even like an attacker, but like the Tempest or the Typhoon not as a dive-bomber. The author supports this idea because in the drawings there are not airbrakes, even if some source, also an older Aerofan iussue, prefer qualify the plane as a dive-bomber. More: of the Cr.44 was studied also in a 2-seater version, but it is not know why: to refuse the idea of a trainer, it's possible that Rosatelli thought about a fast torpedo-bomber or a fast scout (in the project there was a photocamera location both in the single seater and the 2-seater).
After this explanetions, unfotunatly, the archives of Fiat remainds obscure, but it is said that they are working on an intense job of cataloging: the project, in any case, remaind a paper-craft. Even the engine did not pass the drawings table, but it is mentionated a study for a new Fiat Br 20 bomber with this engine, and the the program was soon terminated.
@moderators: in the article there are some drawings of the aircraft, but I don't know if I can post them because the copyright: tell me if I can or not post theese pictures.
On the web I found this color profile of the Cr.44: hope you'll like it!
Skybolt said:Folks, maybe Italian Secret Projects is being resrrected in full glory...
BTW, of the designs illustrated, the Cr-44 was a fighter-bomber, like an enlarged Typhoon/Tempest. Since I wrote the article cited by Lucamax in Aerofan (the last issue, alas) I am entitled to provide a correction: the A-44 was designed by Ing.Fessia, then head of the aeroengine division of FIAT. The a-44 was an H-design based on the cyliinder banks of the failed A-38. A-44 had 32 cylinder in four banks. Actually Giacoso was tangentially involved, because Fessia asked Giacosa to provide a back-up project. He designed an X-shape 24 cylinder engine, that was initially named A-41 and then A-42. At armistice time a prototype had been built and was to start ground testing. The A-44 status is more uncertain, but there are hints that it was running in test configuration and a score of protoypes had been ordered.
Of the Caproni-Vizzola projects, Sagittario II (from late April renamed Arciere II, guess why, Nico) was probably a dive bomber and assaltatore. Sagittario I (later Arciere I) was an high-altitude fighter. Actually it is not so sure that the intended engine was to be the DB-605D.... perhaps it was an Italian turbocompressor coupled with a normal DB-605 (or even a license built RA-1050).