• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Haller H.8 and H.9?

Maveric

Fight for yor Right!
Joined
Jan 14, 2007
Messages
1,747
Reaction score
12
Hi all,

found this article in an old czech L+K 1970, but can´t translate him. Are this early constructions from Haller, who projected later in Germany the two amphibians Ha.22 and Ha.23? Are pics from the H.8 known? Anybody had a short biography of Haller?

Thanks and Servus Maveric
 

Attachments

Wurger

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2007
Messages
860
Reaction score
7
Hi Maveric,

no entry in Bruno lange`s "Typenhandbuch...", although I am aware of the Haller Ha22 and 23. I`m afraid I can`y help you, but I am looking forward for someone to enlight us in this interesting subject.
 

zerstorer1946

CLEARANCE: Confidential
Joined
Jan 27, 2009
Messages
58
Reaction score
0
are you sure that picture isnt a clip from the film "those magnificent men and their flying machines"?
he he
 

boxkite

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2006
Messages
818
Reaction score
25
Maveric said:
Hi all,

found this article in an old czech L+K 1970, but can´t translate him. Are this early constructions from Haller, who projected later in Germany the two amphibians Ha.22 and Ha.23? Are pics from the H.8 known? Anybody had a short biography of Haller?

Thanks and Servus Maveric
H.8 and H.9 were designed and built by the Czech engineer Oldřich Haller from Plzeň. The name of the German designer was Rudolf Haller, who worked at GMG (Gebrüder Müller Griesheim), where sailplanes and light aircraft have been built between 1924 and 1932 (e. g. GMG I, Ia, II, IIa, V).
 

Maveric

Fight for yor Right!
Joined
Jan 14, 2007
Messages
1,747
Reaction score
12
Thanks boxkite,

anybody knows the histoy of Oldrich and Rudolf Haller?

Thanks to all

Maveric
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
And a small Info;

Lifelong desire to build aircraft with vertical takeoff accompanied pilsner air
engineer Oldřich Haller (1893-1953). Undertake a study of aircraft H-8 and H-9 with perpendicular
takeoff, which was nicknamed "Halleroidy". Based on studies built models on which
verified develop unconventional principle of buoyancy - propellers generated airflow bent
shaped fixed to the wings. Finally, there was a building prototypes in actual size,
which have been tested in the years 1928 - 1931 Letňany VLÚS. Haller, however, struggled with
lack of funds prevented him better engine installation
and finally the continuation of the project.
https://www.vutbr.cz/www_base/zav_prace_soubor_verejne.php?file_id=55113

Also there was a Haller H-6 and H-11.
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
Haller H-6;

http://www.aeroweb.cz/clanek.asp?ID=1354&kategorie=3

Haller ZA-2;

https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/planeur-fiche_0int.php?code=3467

Haller H-11;

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_aircraft_(H)
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
Hi,

by the way,the designer Oldřich Haller created the Bohemia B-1 to B-4 as an early
aeroplanes before WWI,after the war appeared the B-5,a low-wing two seat trainer
which powered by one N.A.G. engine.

https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia_B-5
 

Attachments

Apophenia

CLEARANCE: Top Secret
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,109
Reaction score
45
hesham said:
... designer Oldřich Haller created the Bohemia B-1 to B-4 as an early aeroplanes before WWI...
I don't think that is at all clear. Bohemia created the B-1 to B-4 aircraft but it doesn't specifically say that Oldřich Haller was involved in those designs.

BTW: Haller's H-11 was a heavily-modified Aero A-12 reconnaissance biplane. Oldřich Haller converted this machine into a parasol monoplane aircraft with a 5-cylinder radial engine (Walter Vega?) and acrylic cockpit enclosures. AFAIK, only one H-11 conversion was made - OK-AZI.
 

Attachments

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
Great Info,thank you my dear Apophenia,

and I will check about B-1 to B-4.
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
And I don't what was this,a glider ?.
 

Attachments

Aubi

CLEARANCE: Restricted
Joined
Aug 31, 2009
Messages
43
Reaction score
49
Website
www.valka.cz
I didn't found any name, but the biplane glider is mentioned as the first aircraft Heller (and his school buddy, František Šnábl) built and the monoplane glider as the second, in 1910-1911. I doubt they had any "official" name. Better pictures are here: http://slavnostisvobody.cz/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/PANEL-5.pdf
Also, Bohemia B.5 started as classic aicraft, then after the NAG Wright engine "died" it was rebuilt as a glider.
Haller H.6 is mentioned as looking similar to B.5.
 

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
Thank you Aubi,

and do you have a drawing or picture to H.6 ?.
 

Aubi

CLEARANCE: Restricted
Joined
Aug 31, 2009
Messages
43
Reaction score
49
Website
www.valka.cz
Sadly no, all I found were articles about Bohemia B.5 or his VTOL attempts, only some mentions that in 1923 unfinished Haller H-6 "similar to B.5" was destroyed during fire of the hangar of the West Bohemian Aviation Club.

Another build of Oldřich Haller - in 1923 he made a glider ZA-2 (ZA - Západočeský aeroklub) that competed in the Medlánky glider sport competition.
 

Attachments

Last edited:

hesham

CLEARANCE: Above Top Secret
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
23,760
Reaction score
805
So wierd,

here is a Haller ZA-1 ?.

L+K 3/1967
 

Attachments

Aubi

CLEARANCE: Restricted
Joined
Aug 31, 2009
Messages
43
Reaction score
49
Website
www.valka.cz
Yep. Basically, this article explains what happened to the Bohemia Association that built the Bohemia B-5. It was dissolved after their main pilot, Polanecký, took their B-5 to Prague and never returned. They then dissolved their association and started new one, above mentioned Západočeský aeroklub. Again under the leadership of Haller they built a new plane, at first with engine of Haller's construction, soon with refurbished Argus of 98 hp/100 k. This machine, seond aircraft built and flied in the newly founded state, was then used for training of the members of the club and for visiting various aviation events. This plane was one of those burned during the mentioned hangar fire. There's also mentioned unnamed almost finished, but without fabric covering one-seater "aircraft of Balík brothers" that burned there - maybe the mysterious Haller H-6 under disguise, because there's not mentioned any other unfinished airplane amongst the lost machines.
 
Top