German glide bombs and aerial torpedoes

[moin1900]

Hi everybody

I have read about the Peter-X glide bomb here
http://www.balsi.de/Weltkrieg/Waffen/Sonderwaffen/Luftwaffe/peterx.htm
http://www.net.bialystok.pl/~hess/r_lpk_peter_x.htm
Any pictures or drawings?

Zippermayr L.40 Lufttorpedo
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Zippermayr
Any pictures or drawings?

Delta torpedo-glider Gerätwerk Stargard L.50
http://www.balsi.de/Weltkrieg/Waffen/Sonderwaffen/Luftwaffe/l10.htm
http://www.net.bialystok.pl/~hess/r_lpk_l.50.htm
Any pictures or drawings?

L.10
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/l10.html
Fritz-X
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/fritz.html

Thanks in advance

 

[moin1900]

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[Grey Havoc]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4afXMtBBl4&t=42m37s

An interest tidbit at the timestamp regarding the emergency 'electric razor' countermeasure used by the Royal Navy against the Hs 293 glider bomb and FX 1400 (Fritz X) glide bomb.

 

[lastdingo]

The German side did not notice any effect of jamming.
It knew about the technical unreliability of its guided missiles that did not require jamming to end in failure.

 

[Dilandu]

The German side did not notice any effect of jamming.
It knew about the technical unreliability of its guided missiles that did not require jamming to end in failure.

Well, Germans in WW2 were rather poor in electronic, and notoriously suspicious of high technology (no wonder, considering Nazi anti-intellectual policy). For example, after their radio navigation fiasco in the "battle of the beams", they just give up all efforts in this area alltogether.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The German side did not notice any effect of jamming.
It knew about the technical unreliability of its guided missiles that did not require jamming to end in failure.

Actually, by late 1943 the Luftwaffe had become paranoid about jamming to a point where they were reluctant to approve any project that required electronic signals that might be jammed. Whether they recognized this about guided weapons like Fritz X or Hs 293, they certainly knew they could and like were being jammed just as most other electronic systems were.

A clear example of this is the insane use of wire guidance in the Ruhrstal X-4 air-to-air missile. Wire guidance became one of the "go to" methods of sending control signals to a missile because it was seen as unjammable. Such was the paranoia the Luftwaffe had towards electronics.

 

[Grzesio]

Actually, by late 1943 the Luftwaffe had become paranoid about jamming to a point where they were reluctant to approve any project that required electronic signals that might be jammed.

And that is why they were designing radio controlled or beam riding missiles till the very end of the war?

A clear example of this is the insane use of wire guidance in the Ruhrstal X-4 air-to-air missile.

I think, wire guidance was chosen because of simplicity and small size of the receiver, considering dimensions of the missile. Other air-to-air missiles developed for the Luftwaffe were still radio guided.

 

[Dilandu]

And that is why they were designing radio controlled or beam riding missiles till the very end of the war?

Considering that they never developed any other control radio system to replace the Kehl-Strasbourg, their efforts were mostly of "engineer Hans REALLY didn't want to be drafted" category.

 

[Grzesio]

They did develop quite a lot, although not fielded.
On the other hand, they had real problems with quality - I remember a report of E-Stelle Karlshagen on a batch of 7 or 8 remote control receivers they were sent for air-to-air missiles in 1944, complaining that generally everything was wrong, aerials were not tuned, wires broken, components faulty etc. - in the conclusion it was written, it had to be considered as a really happy coincidence that one of the receivers could have been brought to working order at all.

 

[Dilandu]

They did develop quite a lot, although not fielded.

I was under impression that they all used derivatives of basic Kehl-Strasbourg. Which, I may say, add arguments to French suspicion that K-S was actually stolen French design (at least Hurel and Turk certainly thought that K-S radio control system is suspiciously similar to their own pre-war one)

 

[Grzesio]

Probably many of them were more or less modified variants of the K-S indeed, but I think e.g. Greifswald-Kolberg or Kogge-Brigg (Freggate) were parallel or next generation developments.
As far as French origins of the K-S are concerned, Hs 293 was undergoing ground tests of guidance system at Peenemuende-West already in February 1940, the first airdrop was conducted in September. Of course, it didn't have to be the K-S then, but we also do not have a proof at the moment, it was not.

 

[Grey Havoc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/oljs66 View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/oljs66/2048_x_1493_uss_savannah_is_struck_by_a_fritz_x/

 

[klem]

you might be interested in this link

(PDF) Lenkkörper und Zielweisungsgeräte der deutschen Luftwaffe, Teil I, Mechanik und Funk-Fernlenkung von Fall- und Gleitbomben

PDF | Detaillierte Beschreibung der ferngelenkten Bomben der deutschen Wehrmacht ("Fritz X" und Hs 293. Anhand einer Vielzahl farbiger Bilder werden... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[klem]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ng_von_Gleitbomben_-_Das_Tonne-Seedorf-System

 

[steelpillow]

From my Blohm & Voss notes:

BV 143 Anti-shipping missile. Gliding approach, rocket-powered final flight stage.

L 10 BV 950 Friedensengel Anti-shipping torpedo-carrier glider. First version of BV 950, for propeller planes.

L 11 BV 950 Schneewittchen Second version of BV 950, for jet planes.

BV 226 Long range radar homing glide bomb [initial designation of BV 246]
BV 246 Hagelkorn Never operational, despite large numbers made.

A glider dropped from a jet plane would need to fly really fast, so for the later ones B&V made the wings with a solid concrete core and steel skinning!

Despite prolonged development and in some cases production running into four figures, constant problems were experienced with the guidance systems and none was ever used in anger.