Franco-British Aviation (FBA) Aircraft List

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Franco-British Aviation (usually known by its initials FBA) was an aircraft manufacturer of the early
20th century, headquartered in London and with its production facilities around Paris.Specialising
in seaplanes, it was established in 1913 by Louis Schreck and André Beaumont.


FBA-A was a development of Donnet-Leveque Type A,as single engined recce seaplane
FBA-B was an improvement FBA-A,as a single engined seaplane as a recce biplane
FBA-C was the same FBA-B,but re-engined with 130 hp Clerget 9B rotary engine
FBA Cannon Fighter was a two-seat cannon fighter biplane seaplane,powered by one 150 hp HS 8A engine
FBA-D was a development of Type-B,later became Type-H
FBA-E was twin engined Project version of Type-C,powered by two
100 hp Gnome engines,mounted in propellant directly above the trailing edge of the wing
FBA-H was the most numerous of this series,seaplane with 150 hp
Isotta-Fraschini V-4-B engine
FBA-S was a final wartime production with more improvements,as a seaplane recce aircraft
FBA-Triplane was a triplane flying boat of 1917,powered by one 300 hp Renault engine
FBA-High Seas was a biplane high seas flying boat,powered by four 250 hp Hispano engines,1918
FBA-Impro S was an improved version of Type-S with new design,powered by one 275 hp Hispano engine,1918
FBA-10 or M-1 was a two or three seat amphibian seaplane,with 420 hp engine
FBA-11 was a two-seat training flying boat HE.2,powered by one 130 hp Clegret 9B engine
FBA-12 was a two-seat trainer flying boat HE.2,maybe a Project,need confirm
FBA-13 was a two-seat trainer flying boat HE.2,with basic dual control
FBA-14 was a two-seat trainer flying boat HE.2,it was based on FBA-11
FBA-15 ------?
FBA-16 was a two-seat trainer flying boat HE.2,powered by one 150 HS engine
FBA-17 was a two-seat trainer flying boat HE.2,developed in many categories,HT.2 two seat tourer,HMT.2 military seaplane,HMB.2 also
a military seaplane,HT.4 a four-seat tourer,HMT.4 a four-seat amphibian version,HL.1 & HL.2 recce seaplane with single and two seats and HMT.2
amphibian version of Type-172
FBA-171 was a Type-17 with 230 hp Lorraine engine
FBA-172 was the same as Type-17,developed in three versions,HE.2,HTM.4 & HMT.2 with
different engine kinds
FBA-173 was a version fitted with 230 hp Gnome-Rhone engine
FBA-18 was a tourer 300 hp HS engine amphibian,with new shape,maybe a Project,need confirm
FBA-19 was a two-seat bombing flying boat,later developed into HMT.3,a three-seat bombing
recce flying boat
FBA-20 ------?
FBA-21/1 was a 4/5 seat tourer and civil amphibian,powered by one 450 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ga engine
FBA-21/2 was a version of 21/1,powered by one 450 hp Lorraine 12Eb engine
FBA-21/3 was a flying boat/amphibian version,powered by one 420 hp Gnome-Rhône 9Ab engine
FBA-21/4 was a flying boat/amphibian version,powered by one 450 hp Lorraine 12Ed engine
FBA-210 was a little known version
FBA-22 ------?
FBA-23 was a tourer flying boat,developed as a long distance version of Type-21,
FBA-24 ------?
FBA-25 was a tourer flying boat Project,a re-engined version of FBA-17
FBA-26 ------?
FBA-270 was a two-seat experimental flying boat,powered by one 230 hp Salmson 9Ab engine
FBA-271 was a two-seat amphibian experimental aircraft,powered by one 300 ho Lorraine 9Na engine
FBA-272 was a developed version,maybe remained a Project only,powered by one 300 hp Gnome-Rhône 7Kb
engine
FBA-280 ------?
FBA-290 was a four-seat amphibian tourer and VIP transport seaplane,powered by one 300 hp Lorraine 9Na engine
FBA-291 was a version of 290,powered by one 300 hp Gnome & Rhône 7Kb
FBA-292 was unknown version,powered by 300 hp engine,Project only
FBA-293 was a liaison version,powered by one 300 hp Lorraine 9Na engine
FBA-294 was a liaison version,powered by one 300 hp Gnome-Rhône 7Kb engine
FBA-295 was a liaison version,powered by one 300 hp Clegret 9C engine
FBA-300 was a two-seat civil flying boat monoplane Project,with open cockpit,lighter than FBA.310
FBA-310 was a 2/3 seats flying boat,powered by one 120 hp Lorrane engine
FBA-310/1 was an amphibian version,powered by one 120 hp engine
FBA-310/9 was an exported version of Type-310,powered by one 120 hp engine
FBA-320 ------?
FBA-330 was a Project of early 1930s,no more details
FBA-340 ------?
FBA-350 was a 2/3 seats trainer seaplane or flying boat Project


any corrections or additions are welcome
 
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I make a little change in FBA-18,which I found a small Info about it here;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15821.msg293435.html#msg293435
 

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Hi,

the Onera Archive mentions the FBA.350 Ed2,and for the last symbol Ed.2,I don't know what was it ?.

 

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Do we have the correct link? The Schreck FBA 350 doesn't show up in that edition of L'Aéronautique.

If this is from the ONERA lists, it's very odd. Why would flying boat designs from the mid-1920s be being put into wind tunnels in 1937-1938?
 

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Sorry my dear apophebnia,

I correct the link,and the FBA.350 was a real Project submitted to
this contest,and Ed.2 means "Ecole de Début biplace",or two-seat
start trainer,and from the book Les Ailes Francaises 2 - Les hydravions
a Coque 2st partie,here is a hint for it,also we must know after the
company was purchased by Bernard in 1934,but still kept on its
individual designation system,and the program was called A49 of
1937.
 

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Thanks hesham. This has got me wondering about that 'FBA 350' from the mid-'20s. Did such a designation actually exist or was that a caption conflation of 'F.B.A.' and '350' (as in 350 CV HIspano Suiza)?

Interesting about Ed.2 = École de Début biplace ... never seen that as a STAé category before. BTW, you listed this competition as "HE.2/3" (Hydravion École) back in 2015: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/french-aircraft-specifications-1919-1939.22273/#post-249386
(If you plan to change/add to that entry, note that 'Minie-Cassin MR.10' (sic) should read Minié-Cassin M.C 10 / M.R 20.)

BTW, going back to your Schenck FBA designation list, the FBA 19 came in a range of variants with STAé suffixes applied:

FBA 19 HB 2 - 1924 Hydravion de Bombardement biplace, x 9
- 19 HB 2 : 2-seat flying boat bomber, mainly wooden const.
- 19 HB 3: 1 x 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 8Fb V-8 tractor, span 14.40 m
-- NB: All FBA 19 HB 2s converted to FBA 19 HMB 2 amphibians

FBA 19 HMB 2 - 1924 Hydravion de Bombardement Mixte biplace
- 19 HMB 2: Conver. of FBA 19 HB2 flying boats to amphibians, x 9

FBA 19 HMT 3 - 1925 Hydravion Mixte de Transport triplace
- 19 HMT 3: 3-seat 'liaison' amphibian for Air-Union,* x 1
- 19 HMT 3: 1 x 300 hp Hispano-Suiza 8Fb,** span 14.40 m
-- * Commissioned Apr. 1924 as fast Paris-London postal a/c
-- * Actually flown in 1925 as 1+3 France-UK passenger a/c
-- ** Later replaced by 350 hp Hispano-Suiza V-12, F-AHCY

Likewise, the FBA 21 came in a range of variants - the FBA 21 HE 2 (Hydravion École de biplace and FBA 21 HMT 5 (Hydravion Mixte de Transport de cinq place.
 

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The information comes from the old French magazine "Aviation Magazine": the FBA 30 (0) was the predecessor concept from which the FBA 310 originated .
 

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From Aviation magazine 1968,

and many thanks to dear Maveric,I will re-set the list.
 

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From a dear friend,

I got the book,Le grand essor de l'Hydraviation 1913-1934 about
FBA aircraft,very disappoint book,they denied the Type-12,but I know
it was mentioned in reliable source,and Type-14 appeared in TU &
A-Z magazines,also Type-18 was hinted by an Italian magazine,also
nothing about Type-300,Type-330 or Type-350.

The only distinguish is that,it knows us Type-D,Type-E and also a
small Info about Type-25.

So I will re-set the list,please see.
 

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Hi,

to know how they reached to Type number 10,we can imagine
or guess the sequence was as following;

FBA-A = Type-1
FBA-B = Type-2
FBA-C = Type-3
FBA Cannon Fighter = Type-4
FBA-E = Type-5
FBA-H = Type-6 (Early FBA-D)
FBA-S = Type-7 & Improved S
FBA Triplane = Type-8
FBA High Seas = Type-9
 

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