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Hi all,

So we've just sat and watched the classic 1960's film Fantastic Voyage.

It prompted a question from my daughter if it was possible to shrink things as in the film.which made me wonder of any secret projects had looked into the idea?

i'm guessing it's a load of rubbish?

Any thoughts??

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It violates the laws of physics. if you want to make a smaller version of something, you can simply make a smaller version, which runs into difficulties with complex tiny systems like electronics (or brains). If you want to actually make something smaller and keep all the complexity, you would have to somehow compress it. But apart from vast pressure of the kind generated on the surfaces of neutron stars, you can't make atoms smaller.
 

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Physically impossible :confused:
Would empty spaces between atoms be removed the Proteus would still has the same weigth
 

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There is a theoretical possibility

you engulf object like a Submarine and it's crew in a Warp field bubble,
The one like Miguel Alcubierre depicts, but modified under Chris Van den Broeck metric,
This would reduce outside surface of Warp field bubble, while the internal volume remain same.
With other words the object become suddenly quite smaller (and lighter since the Mass is in internal volume)

but there issues with interaction with surroundings
also need of Exotic matter to produce the Warp field and to keep it stable.
 

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There is a theoretical possibility

you engulf object like a Submarine and it's crew in a Warp field bubble,
The one like Miguel Alcubierre depicts, but modified under Chris Van den Broeck metric,
This would reduce outside surface of Warp field bubble, while the internal volume remain same.
With other words the object become suddenly quite smaller (and lighter since the Mass is in internal volume)

but there issues with interaction with surroundings
also need of Exotic matter to produce the Warp field and to keep it stable.
This is reminding me of the Arthur C. Clarke short story "Superiority."
 

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Thanks all, thats what i love about this forum, the community and the knowledge.

Not forgetting the fact that you can post such a silly question and get some sensible answers!

Is the shrinking tech the silliest thing on screen or, can you think of anything in film or TV thats even less plausible?
 

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Irwin Allen's 1960s TV series are the place to go for colourful (actually colorful)TV shows and films. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.Lost in Space. Land of the Giants Time Tunnel City Beneath the Sea. The UK had TheAvengers Dr Who Sapphire and Steel Blakes 7 and anything with Gerry Anderson's name on. Silly things in these shows are too numerous to list....
 

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Thats just the sensible stuff... I was thinking more of the moon being blasted out of orbit (Space 1999) green skinned aliens(UFO) aliens who kill people and recreate exact living replicas who are indestructible(Captain Scarlet) and...
 

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Is the shrinking tech the silliest thing on screen or, can you think of anything in film or TV thats even less plausible?
Shrink-tech is pretty silly. Hard to quantify such things, but approximately equally scientifically silly:
1: Walk-through-walls-tech: How do you not fall through the floor?
2: Invisibility tech that allows the invisible person to continue to see normally.
3: Shotguns that blast the target a dozen feet backwards, but the shooter is barely rocked by recoil
4: Ray guns that shoot bolts moving about a hundred miles an hour
5: Invisible force fields/shields that somehow block laser beams
 

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Justo, i knew had forgot something...

The Land of the Giants :eek:
 

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Anything with time travel. Shrinking just tinkers with fundamentals physical constants; time travel messes with causality, which is worse.
 

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Anything with time travel. Shrinking just tinkers with fundamentals physical constants; time travel messes with causality, which is worse.
my head start to hurt really bad, if Sci-fi or Comic author ask me for advice on time travel and causality loop...


SPOLIERS AHEAD
 

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In the original film THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL a boy goes in search of the "cleverest man in the world". In the humorous film THE MOUSE THAT ROARED a very similar scientist is played by a British actor well known for his amiable and wise appearance.
Am I alone in yearning for such a figure to appear and tell us he has cracked an antidote/innoculation for COVID19. Oh well, back to the land of dreams.
 

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Am I alone in yearning for such a figure to appear and tell us he has cracked an antidote/innoculation for COVID19.
Yeah, you're pretty much alone. Because what's needed isn't some kindly lone genius who makes a successful vaccine, but some greedy Lex Luthor type who takes that vaccine and *markets* it, manufacturing doses in the billions. Otherwise Lone Boffin makes enough for himself, his adopted niece, her chaste boyfriend and the comic relief as they head off towards the moon or the Earth's core, leaving the rest of the planet sans vaccine.
 

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mmmm is that a message of hope or despair?
 

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No offense intended.:confused:
In my opinión a vaccine will still take some time.
 

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mmmm is that a message of hope or despair?
Depends on whether or not you like the economic and industrial power that is available to mega-pharma corps, or if you would rather that such things as vaccines were produced one or two doses at a time in lone eccentrics basements.
 

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Sorry that my wistful remembering of a simpler time did not strike a chord..
I have friends who have explained to me the reality that it is incredibly difficult to produce an antidote/innoculation and we may never get one. If we do, it will be thanks to the hard work of teams of mainly young women and men all round the world.
But, for me, that old science guy in the movies was a symbol of hope.
 
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