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Does anyone have anything on the Straight-Wing mock up for F-86? TIA
 

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Isn't it the same as the FJ-1?


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Does anyone have anything on the Straight-Wing mock up for F-86? TIA
 

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No it was different - the only similarity was the straight wings.
 

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Nope. The FJ-1 was NA-134, the XP-86 was NA-140. The straight-wing XP-86 apparently was NA-136 [it wasn't*]. Actually this was discussed recently in another thread. Are you sure there was a mock-up, anyway? Here's an illustration, which I suspect is a later composition, not an original NAA illustration:


* see here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,665.msg171934.html#msg171934
 

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I saw a mockup picture of the airplane in question and it had MX-673 on its nose.
 

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From "Wings of Fame" Volume 10 Page 38:

"The straight-wing project proceeded as far as a wooden mock-up of the left wing and fuselage, complete with dummy J-35 engine. It was unveiled at Inglewood in June 1945"
 

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Try this on for size. ;)

http://www.wingweb.co.uk/aircraft/F-86_Sabre_Part1.html
 

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Do you have a higher res of that great photo?
 

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:eek: Justo, this is just GREAT! Thank you so much! ;)
 

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Justo, you've been posting without citing sources again. Bad Justo ;D
 

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Justo, you've been posting without citing sources again
The pic can be found from this source:

"Wings of Fame" Volume 10 Page 38
 

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I think that you will find, under closer analysis, that the Squadron/Signal "XP-86" drawing is much closer to representing a FJ Fury than an XP-86.
 

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aim9xray said:
I think that you will find, under closer analysis, that the Squadron/Signal "XP-86" drawing is much closer to representing a FJ Fury than an XP-86.
This is also what I thought, but until we get a proper NA-136 straight-wing XP-86 profile, I guess that's the closest we're going to get...
 

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overscan said:
Justo, you've been posting without citing sources again. Bad Justo ;D
I just have the picture cut from a magazine, I do ignore the source.... :-\
Please see sources cited in my last post about the Martin XB-51,in accordance with the rules.
 

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The XFJ-1 had the same wing-mounted dive brakes as the XP-86. This was changed for production to the fuselage-mounted brakes, reportedly due to a roll-control incident on a test flight following a jam of the wing-mounted brakes on one side. The FJ-1 engine was also removed through the top of the fuselage rather than removing the aft fuselage, apparently to minimize the deck space required for an engine change.
 

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Hey Stargazer and Pometablava - a little off topic, but do you have any profile drawings of the TF-86 two-seater trainer variant of the Sabre, which NAA built as a single prototype????



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Pioneer said:
do you have any profile drawings of the TF-86 two-seater trainer variant of the Sabre, which NAA built as a single prototype????
There is a topic on this very forum with lots of pics and a profile drawing:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8568.0/highlight,tf-86f.html
 

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Sorry, I have no pictures about this particular variant
 

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Scans from:
Evolution of the F-86, By Morgan (Mac) Blair
AIAA Evolution of Aircraft Wing Design Symposium, March 18, 1980.

Figure 5 shows the P-51H, XFJ-1, and original XP-86.

Figure 11 shows the initial wind tunnel configuration with alternate wings with aspect ratios of 5 and 6; and unswept tail.

Figure 13 shows further refinement; fuselage cross section has been revised.

Figure 18 shows the relationships between the wings of the North American fighters.
 

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I recently acquired a number of NAA Columbus FJ Fury photos and amongst them was this photo of the XFJ-1. I'm posting it for the sake of completeness/comparison on the topic since the production FJ-1 differed in detail.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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The designation NA-136 did NOT apply to the straight-wing XP-86 project as previously suggested.

Forum member Steve Pace reveals the allocation of that designation here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,665.msg171934.html#msg171934

I have edited my posts and apologize for the wrong assumption.
 

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Does anyone have, or know where to find, dimensions and drawings of the North American NA.140, the later F-86 Sabre, only with straight wings? Thanks in advance!
A SPF thread


Thanks for the clue !
 
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The recent Hatchette bookazine on the F-86 has a lovely-sized three-view of the straight-winged proposal along with mock-up pictures and a picture of a desk model. It also has a three-view of an intermediate swept wing study that retains the straight tail surfaces.
 

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Would anyone be interested in a 1/72 kit of the straight wing NA.140 version?
I, for one, would. Been looking at crossing bits from a F-86A and a FJ-1 as the starting point for modeling one; a kit would be simpler.
 

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Would anyone be interested in a 1/72 kit of the straight wing NA.140 version?
I, for one, would. Been looking at crossing bits from a F-86A and a FJ-1 as the starting point for modeling one; a kit would be simpler.
Thanks for your input! I'm putting together our latest production list and your feedback really helps!
 

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A single photo of the straight wing XP-86 appears on page 6 of "WARBIRDTECH Series: North American F-86 SabreJet DAY FIGHTERS, Volume 3. The caption reads: The only known photo of the XP-86 straight wing design at mock-up, which was unveiled at Inglewood in June 1945. Only the left side of the mock-up was finished and inspected on June 20, 1945. Although the XP-86 never went beyond the mock-up stage, its Navy cousin, the XFJ-1 Fury went into full production, becoming the first operational jet fighter for the Navy. (NAA)"
 
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