uk 75

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2006
Messages
3,823
Reaction score
2,866
Not trying to provoke either side of the current debate but
I am old enough to remember a time when the 6 original
members of the European Community discussed the
setting up of a full blown EDF in the 1960s.
It was never a runner politically but had it been, I imagine
the following equipment
Naval Component
6 SSBN French Redoutable class
3 aircraft carriers French Foch class
4 Helicopter cruisers Italian Vittorio class
12 destroyers Italian Audace class
36 frigates Dutch Standard class
Air Component
4 strike squadrons Mirage IV
12 Fighter Ground Attack squadrons Fiat G 91 or Mirage III
20 Fighter squadrons with Mirage III and Mirage G replacing F104
Land Forces
Leopard as standard tank including 155mm artillery variant
Pluton tactical missiles on Leopard chassis
 

Grey Havoc

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
16,999
Reaction score
6,636
The Vittorio Veneto-class cruisers would more than likely have had VAK-191B VTOL strike fighters as part of their airgroups.
 
Last edited:

Grey Havoc

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
16,999
Reaction score
6,636
Interestingly, the idea can be traced back to 1950, during the Korean War. Ironically, Britain was then one of those countries in favour of the idea (Attlee and Labour were still in power), going so far as to sounding out West Germany about contributing a contingent of troops. This caused something of a firestorm in Bonn however, with the Minister of the Interior resigning in protest at the idea.

Despite this, the Treaty of Paris, which set up the European Defence Community that was initially intended as the political basis of the EDF, was signed two years later by the 'Inner Six', including West Germany. Real progress on setting up the EDF itself more or less stalled until the early 1960s however, due to the effective collapse of the EDC thanks to the French government's failure to get the Treaty ratified by the National Assembly in 1954. On a side note, the revival of the EDF concept may have been in part a reaction to the 1961 Fouchet Plan, though it was the NATO Multilateral Force (MLF) plans that arguably provided the primary impetus for said revival.
 
Last edited:

uk 75

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2006
Messages
3,823
Reaction score
2,866
I thought I would bring back this old thread.
It is NOT a place to discuss whether it could or should exist. Like a fantasy Football team lineup just take it that it exists and see if you can do a better lineup than mine in the introduction.
I have left the UK out of my list as it allows for more European stuff.
Updating it a bit
Naval Forces
France and Italy collaborate on a conventional aircraft carrier looking like a larger Cavour.
Spain joins in the Horizon project so the finished ship has PAAMS but looks like the Spanish AEGIS ships.
The Koertenaer class S frigate is replaced by a German/French design fusing the Brandenburgs and Aquitaines.
The SSBN and SSN are still the French designs, though Italy and Netherlands may contribute to the design. SSK are the German designed boats.
 

lordroel

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Aug 1, 2020
Messages
216
Reaction score
173
I thought I would bring back this old thread.
It is NOT a place to discuss whether it could or should exist. Like a fantasy Football team lineup just take it that it exists and see if you can do a better lineup than mine in the introduction.
I have left the UK out of my list as it allows for more European stuff.
Updating it a bit
Naval Forces
France and Italy collaborate on a conventional aircraft carrier looking like a larger Cavour.
Spain joins in the Horizon project so the finished ship has PAAMS but looks like the Spanish AEGIS ships.
The Koertenaer class S frigate is replaced by a German/French design fusing the Brandenburgs and Aquitaines.
The SSBN and SSN are still the French designs, though Italy and Netherlands may contribute to the design. SSK are the German designed boats.
Well for start give each EU country a function, like engineers for one country, armor for another and so on, then group them into divisions. ore is that a wrong idea for a EU defense force.
 

Similar threads

Top