Erwin Musger Aircraft Designations

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I read with interest the earlier posts on Musger projects :

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14070.0/all.html

I have started a list of the gliders and aircraft Ing. Erwin Musger (20 March 1909 - 16 March 1985) worked on in Austria.

So far we have:

Mg.I - Open cockpit single-seat Glider named “St Polten”. Design dated 1932. Span 18.00 m / Length: 7.10 m / Height: 1.95 m / Wing Area: 16.5 sq m / Empty Weight: 152 kg / Take-off Weight: 232 kg

Mg.II - Open cockpit Glider rebuilt from the “St Polten”. Started 1933. Span 17.25 m / Length: 7.10 m / Height: 1.95 m / Wing Area: 15.8 sq m / Empty Weight: 152 kg / Take-off Weight: 232 kg

Mg.III - Single engine low-wing monoplane (OE-DMG) with Mercedes F-7202 engine. Single seat enclosed cockpit. 9.5 m span and 5.90 m length. 1937.

Mg.IV - Single seat glider adapted from the Mg.II named “Pechvogel “ 1934

Mg.V(?) Uhu (Owl) - Single-seat school glider 1935 named "Uhu"

Mg.9 - Two seat glider named “Kamerad” 1936.

Mg.9a - Two seat glider with enclosed cockpit (OE-DUO) 1937

Mg.10 - Dated 1935

Mg.12 - High wing open cockpit single seat glider named “Primus” 1937

Mg.12a - High wing open cockpit single seat glider named “Ameise” 1938

Mg.15 - Sporting sailplane 1937

Mg.19 - Two seat glider with enclosed cockpit developed from pre-war Mg.9a 1952

Mg.19a - Twin-seat glider with enclosed cockpit developed from Mg.19. At least 20 built in Austria. Design started 1953

Mg.19b - Two seat competition glider 1953

Mg.19c - Two seat competition glider. Took part in 1956 World Championships in St Yan France

Mg.19s - Two seat competition glider. One off (OE-0517) from 1960

Mg.20 - Light aeroplane for sport and touring 1947/48. Crew: 1+1 / Engine: 1*80 or 100 HP / Span 10.50 m / Length 7.10 m Height: 1.50 m / Wing Area 13.30 m²

Mg.21 - Light aeroplane for sport and touring

Mg.23 - Single seat glider, competed in 1956 and 1958 Worls Gliding championships. First flight 25 June 1955

Mg.23SL - Single seat glider, at least 17 completed from 1962

Mg.25 - Tourer first flew 10 August 1956 . Crew: 1+1 / Engine: 1*65 or 95 HP Continental / Span: 9.20 m / Length: 6.90 m / Height: 1.70 m / Empty weight: 380 kg / MTOW 610 kg

Mg.26 - A twin-boom motor glider 1953.

Mg.27 - Motor glider which first flew on 29January 1953. Crew: 1 / Engine: 1*30HP / Span: 13.20 m / Length: 6.20 m / Height: 1.05 m / Wing area: 12.5 m² / Empty weight: 195 kg / MTOW: 325 kg

Base information from the earlier posts from Maveric with some supplemental data from Luftfahrzeugbau in Osterreich by Reinhard Keimal (ISBN 3-925505-78-4 Aviatic Verlag)

There are several gaps and queries and I am sure these can be filled by our Austro-German experts.
 

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Very great work my dear Cy-27,


I did't see this topic before,and here is a drawing to Mg.III from Flugsport 1940.
 

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Thank you for this interesting list :)
Under the Mg.25 and Mg.27 headings a date of a first flight is mentioned. That would mean these 2 types were built and flown, but sofar I was unable to unearth photos, if they exist.
Anyone with better luck
 

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Musger Mg- (Sport-Zweisitzer schwanzlos Januar 1947)
 

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Musger Mg- (Sport-Zweisitzer schwanzlos)
 

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Musger Mg.10...
 

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Musger Mg.15
 

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Musger Mg.21
 

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Musger Mg.25
 

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Musger Mg.26
 

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Musger Mg.27
 

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Layout and details (PDF) of the Musger Mg.19 performance glider.

Source:
Sailplane and Glider magazine Volume 20 Issue 2 (1952)
 

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This is the only photograph of the M-211 I could found (on the net). Does anyone know of more photos of the M-211?.
The D-EMIS registration was allocated since the sole M-211 was completed in W.Germany by Motorenfabrik Otto Wimmer OHG (there were restrictions on aircraft construction in Austria at the time).
The M-211 is also referred to as the Wimmer R-110
 

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Hi,

Please,I want to know the relationship between this company and the Oberlerchner,
which developed Job-5 & Job-15 ?.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

Please,I want to know the between this company and the Oberlerchner,
which developed Job-5 & Job-15 ?.

So far I know , no relationship : they only were Austrian .
 

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walter said:
This is the only photograph of the M-211 I could found (on the net). Does anyone know of more photos of the M-211?.
The D-EMIS registration was allocated since the sole M-211 was completed in W.Germany by Motorenfabrik Otto Wimmer OHG (there were restrictions on aircraft construction in Austria at the time).
The M-211 is also referred to as the Wimmer R-110


Please , have a look there :
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1562.15.html

where the story of the Wimmer R-110 is told … The grand-father of the R-110 was the Arado Ar 79 : van Nes worked at Arado in the thirties and forties .


I already post a second picture of it .
 

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Hi to all :)

Last year I wrote: "Thank you for this interesting list
Under the Mg.25 and Mg.27 headings a date of a first flight is mentioned. That would mean these 2 types were built and flown, but sofar I was unable to unearth photos, if they exist""

The date are 10 August 1956 for the Mg-25 and 29 January 1953 for the Mg-27.
Is it safe to assume tbat this info is not correct and that the Mg-25 and Mg-27 were in fact never built and/or flown and remained pure project? (unless I missed something)
 

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As I know this company only built the Musger sailplanes,it was called Oberlerchner, or
Josef Oberlerchner Holzindustrie.

The Complete Illustrated Encyclopedia of the World's Aircraft
 

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As I know this company only built the Musger sailplanes...

Why "only built" Musgers? You mentioned the Ing. Fritz Birkner-designed JOB series in reply #15.

JOB 5 -- 1958 side-by-side 2-seat lightplane prototype
- JOB 5 : Low-wing, wooden construction, traildragger
- JOB 5 : 1 x 95 hp Continental C90-12F, span 10.10 m
-- JOB 5: OE-VAF, c/n 01, developed into JOB 15 (qv)

JOB 15 - 1960 3-seat prod. model with revised struct.
- JOB 15: GRP-covered teel-tube fuselage, wood wings
- JOB 15: 1 x 135 hp Avco Lycoming O-290-D2B HO-4
-- JOB 15: Trainer/tourer/ltd. aerobatics/glider-tug
-- Prototype c/n 051, OE-VAL, total 3 x JOB 15 built

JOB 15-150 - 1962 higher-powered vers. of JOB 15, x 11
- JOB 15-150: As per JOB 15 except for increased hp
- JOB 15-150: 1 x 150 hp Avco Lycoming O-320-A2B HO-4
-- c/n 057, D-EHGU, w/o Aug 1984
-- c/n 059, OE-CAP, w/o Jul 1973
-- c/n 061, OE-CAS, w/o Oct 1970
-- c/n 064, D-EHGE, w/o Sep 1972

JOB 15-150/2 - 1965 4-seat JOB 15-150 conv., x 12*
- JOB 15-150/2: Engine and span as per JOB 15-150
-- * 10 x new-production airframes + 2 conversions
-- JOB 15-150/2 conversions were c/n 066 & c/n 073
-- c/n 066, D-EKCU, w/o Aug 1975

JOB 15-180/2 - 19?? re-engined JOB 15-150/2, 2 x conv.
- JOB 15-180/2: As per JOB 15-150/2 except engine
- JOB 15-180/2: 1 x 180 hp Avco Lycoming O-360-A1 HO-4
 

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I've decided to post my version of Erwin Musger designations list. I dont' think it adds much new to Cy-27's list but there's a few links and corrections ...

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Musger 'Mg' Aircraft Designations

Mg I - 1932 'St. Pölten' single-seat sailplane, x 1
- Mg I: High-winged, fabric-covered wood, span 18.00 m
-- aka Musger Mg 01, reg A-ST.PÖLTEN, w/o 02 April 1934
-- BTW: Sankt Pölten is the capital of Niederösterreich
-- https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/planeur-fiche_0int.php?code=2108

Mg II - (1) 1933 open-cockpit single-seat sailplane, x 1
- Mg II: Rebuilt Mg I 'St. Pölten', span 17.25 m
-- Started 1933; NB: reg A-ST.PÖLTEN, w/o 02 April 1934*
-- * Either dates wrong or it was Mg II which was w/o

Mg II - (2) 1935 'Uhu' Single-seat glider, x 1
- Mg II : 'V' strut-braced parasol w/ pod-and-boom
- Mg II : Basic trainer, 'Uhu' = 'Eagle Owl'
-- Constructed by the Segelfliegergruppe Kölbling
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_Mg-2_Uhu_3v.jpg
-- https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p..._NSgpylXHuB6Zr6ECV1xoT0GG1mfyKUVej4SFpHkcdQrQ

Mg III - 1937 single-seat light sports monoplane, x 1
- Mg III: Low-wing lightplane, op'l canopy,* span 9.50 m
- Mg III: 1 x 22 hp Mercedes-Flugmotor Typ F7502 [1]
-- Design work aided by Toni Hackl and Franz Bubenik
-- * Designed to fly with or without cockpit canopy
-- Mg III const. by Segelfliegergruppe Herzogenburg
-- Mg III (OE-DMG) w/o at Darmstadt, 20 May 1939

Mg IV - 1934 closed-cockpit single-seat sailplane, x 1
- Mg IV: 'Pechvogel', rebuilt from the Mg II*
-- * Mg II wings applied to newly-created fuselage **
-- 'Pechvogel' = 'Unlucky Wretch (or Bird)'
-- ** Problematic dates remain with Mg I, II, and IV
-- Mg IV flew 23 July 1934, w/o had been 02 Apr 1934
-- Austrian registration A-PECHVOGEL

5-8 - (??)

Mg 9 - 1936 2-seat 'Kamerad' perf. sailplane/trainer
- Mg 9 : Gull-wing, covered with plywood up to the spar*
- Mg 9 : Sole prototype reg OE-KAMERAD, span 17.75 m
-- * Mg 9 had single bracing struts & skid undercarriage
-- Enclosed cockpits, aft cockpit under centre section
-- Design calc. begun 1935 by Eduard Walzl, Akaflieg Graz
- Mg 9a: 1937 devel. prod. vers. of Mg 9 prototype, x 11
- Mg 9a: Inverted 'V' strut, mono-wheel, revised ailerons
- Mg 9a: Two seat glider with enclosed cockpit (OE-DUO) 1937
-- Mg 9a set new 2-seat endurance flight records in 1938**
-- ** Piloted by Toni Kahlbacher; 1st 23 hrs, then 40 hrs

Mg 10 - (Project) 1935 closed-cockpit single-seat sailplane
- Mg 10: Intended single-seat Mg 9 variant, span 16.60 m
-- Mis-listed as 'Oberlerchner Mg 10' (as an Mg IV deriv.)
-- 3v: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138346

11 - (??)

Mg 12 - 1937 'Primus' single-seat basic training glider
- Mg 12 : Fabric-covered wooden structure, open cockpit
- Mg 12 : Pedestal wing with 'V' struts, span 12.00 m, x 1
-- Austrian registration OE-PRIMUS
- C-class trainer, designed for Österreichischen Aero Club (ÖAeC)
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_Mg-12_3v.jpg
- Mg 12a: 1938 slightly reduced-scale Mg 12, span 11.85 m
-- Mg 12a named 'Ameise', Austrian reg. OE-AMEISE
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_MG-12A_3v.jpg

13-14 - (??)

Mg.15 - (Project) Single-seat performance/training sailplane
- Mg 15: Canopy, slightly-gulled cantil. wing, span 15.60 m
-- 3v: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138348

16-18 - (??)

Mg 19 - 1952 2-seat high performance/training sailplane, x 45
- Mg 19 : Meant as a replacement for prewar Musger Mg 9a*
- Mg 19 : Enclosed cockpit, low-set gull wing, span 17.60 m
-- Mg 19 ailerons extend from gull 'bend' out to wing tips
-- Mg 19 structure was fabric- and plywood-covered wood
-- * Design assist. by structural engineer, Leopold Hage
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_MG-19_3v.jpg
- Mg 19a: 1953 prod. version, reduced-span ailerons,** x 30
-- ** But with Schempp-Hirth airbrakes above & below wings
-- Built by Josef Oberlerchner Holzindustrie, Spittal/Drau
-- aka Steinadler (Golden Eagle), Oberlerchner Mg 19a
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_Mg-19A_Steinadler_3v.jpg
-- http://www.khs.at/aviaticum/Musger Mg 19a OE-0197.jpg
- Mg.19b: 1954 2-seat competition & training sailplane, x 12
- Mg 19b: Dihedraled, non-gulled, low-set wing; span 17.60 m
- Mg 19b: Wood const.; elliptical, single-spar, 2-part wing
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_MG-19B_3v.jpg
-- https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/planeur-fiche_0int.php?code=2410
- Mg.19c: 1956 2-seat competition & training sailplane, x 1
- Mg 19c: Redesigned wing, straight tapered, span 17.70 m
-- Mg 19c OE-0344 built for Saint-Yan world championships
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_MG-19C_3v.jpg
- Mg 19s: 1960 experimental sailplane with simpler struct.
- Mg 19s: Redesign by Dipl-Ing Eduard Walzl, Akaflieg Graz
- Mg 19s: Welded steel-tube fuselage, new laminar-flow wings
-- One-off Mg 19s (OE-0517), aka Akaflieg Graz-Musger Mg19 S
-- NB: Spacing/capital desig. in Akaflieg Graz style
-- http://www.akaflieg.tugraz.at/?page_id=1008
-- 3v: http://www.akaflieg.tugraz.at/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mg19S-dreiseiten.jpg
-- http://www.akaflieg.tugraz.at/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mg19S1966.jpg

Mg 20 - (Project) 1947-1948 2-seat light sportplane/tourer
- Mg 20: Low-wing twin-boomed pusher-prop, tricycle u/c
- Mg 20: 1 x 80-to-100 hp engine (type?), span 10.50 m
-- 3v: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138349

Mg 21 - (Project) 1948 single-seat light sportplane/tourer
- Mg 21: Low-wing twin-boomed pusher-prop, tricycle u/c
- Mg 21: 1 x (??) hp engine, span (??) m
-- 3v: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138350

22 - (??)

Mg 23 - 1955 single-seat high performance sailplane, x 8
- Mg 23 : Single-seat Mg 19 series devel., span 16.40 m
-- Perf. in 1956 and 1958 Worlds Gliding championships
-- Built by Josef Oberlerchner Holzindustrie, Spittal/Drau
-- aka Oberlerchner Mg 23
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_MG-23_3v.jpg
- Mg 23SL: 1963, enlarged fin, longer canopy, lowered main wheel
- Mg 23SL: Prod. nos. vary from x 14, x 17+, to x ~30 'SLx
-- Mg.23SL a 1961-1962 refinement by Ing. Fritz Birkner
-- 3v: https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/3vues/Musger_Mg-23SL_3v.jpg
-- http://www.khs.at/aviaticum/Musger Mg 23 SL PE-0690.jpg
-- https://docplayer.org/docs-images/66/55669725/images/3-0.jpg

Mg 24 - (Project) 1962 Akaflieg Graz/Musger G 24 motor-glider
- G 24: Self-launching glider, flying wing (with end plates)
-- Design completed but no progress beyond building a model
-- http://www.akaflieg.tugraz.at/?page_id=1010

Mg 25 - (Project) 1956 side-by-side 2-seat touring aircraft
- Mg 25: Low-winged, T-tailed, fixed tricycle undercarriage
- Mg 25: 1 x 65 or 95 hp Continental HO-4, span 9.20 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138351

Mg 26 - (Project) 1953 single-seat pusher motor-glider
- Mg 26: Low-winged, twin-boom, fixed tricycle u/c
- Mg 26: 1 x 30 hp inverted 4-cyl (??), span 7.30 m*
-- * Maveric said 13,00 m, drawing shows 7.30 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138352

Mg 27 - Motor glider which first flew on 29January 1953. Crew: 1 / Engine: 1*30HP / Span: 13.20 m / Length: 6.20 m / Height: 1.05 m / Wing area: 12.5 m² / Empty weight: 195 kg / MTOW: 325 kg

Mg 27 - (Project) 1953 single-seat pusher motor-glider
- Mg 27: Low-winged pod-and-boom, fixed mono-wheel u/c
- Mg 27: 1 x 30 hp engine (type?),* span 7.32 m**
-- * Central engine driving ext. shaft to tail prop
-- ** Maveric said 13,20 m, drawing shows 7.32 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138352

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Maveric also posted drawings of two 1947 Musger designs for tailless 2-seat light aircraft. Alas, no designations are known for these two tailless projects.

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138354
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/the-projects-by-erwin-musger.14070/#post-138355

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[1] This horizontally-opposed 2-cylinder was designed for the 1924 Mercedes-Daimler L 20 lightplane and L 21 light twin (original output was 19 hp). The 22 hp F7502 displaced almost 9L but the 19 hp engine may have been closer to 7.5L. This would explain the designation -
F (Flugmotor) 750 (750 cc) 2 (2-Zylinder). A used engine chosen for its availability and relatively low price.
-- http://www.pennula.de/aviation/jahrgang/1940 (Flugsport 1940)
 

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