Embraer C-390 Millennium (ex-KC-390)

[litzj]

C-390 sales has been on a roll lately after a slow start. Reminds me of the Rafale.
but I guess this means that its also a nail in the coffin for KAI's MC-X project, as it seemed to be roughly the same size.. although slightly larger

I agree that it can be very bad news for MC-X; even their hometown choose C-390 instead of KAI's.

maybe MC-X is terminated, changed as C-390-30, or going to totally different size

 

[Maro.Kyo]

but I guess this means that its also a nail in the coffin for KAI's MC-X project, as it seemed to be roughly the same size.. although slightly larger

But I thought South Korea is aiming for an indigenous design?

I agree that it can be very bad news for MC-X; even their hometown choose C-390 instead of KAI's.

maybe MC-X is terminated, changed as C-390-30, or going to totally different size

MC-X has never been an official programme of record to begin with. It was a KAI proposal. Also, it was never meant to fulfill the demands of this recent ROKAF programme (Large Transport Aircraft-II programme) but was envisioned to be a long-term project.

Now, if you ask me about the plausibility of MC-X materializing, I should agree that it is low, and to be frank, the odds were never in KAI's favour to begin with imo.

We'll see how a possible cooperation with Embraer will pan out. They were known to be very interested in participating in possible Korean indigenous transport porgramme, but with their recent sales to KSA I'd expect that they'd not be that eager any more.

 

[FighterJock]

Any ideas as to what the KAI transporter looked like? If it was the same size as the C-390 then I could see why it was cancled, two cargo lifters in the same size catagory would mean that there is too much competition. Embraer have had a head start with the C-390 and have already had several export orders confirmed.

 

[RavenOne]

Korea next

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[Trident]

Congrats! C-390 order activity is really picking up pace recently, good to see. As for Korea, if they've decided to buy off-the-shelf in this size-class, I don't think an indigenous effort for something larger (with smaller markets both domestic and export) is in the cards. Might be a potential second chance for the A400M - they are already an Airbus Military customer.

 

[carvalho2008]

ROKAF Will adquire brazillian c390

Coreia do Sul seleciona Embraer C-390 Millennium - Poder Aéreo – Aviação, Forças Aéreas, Indústria Aeroespacial e de Defesa

A Administração de Programas de Aquisição de Defesa da Coreia do Sul (DAPA, na sigla em inglês) anunciou a vitória do C-390 Millennium da Embraer no processo de licitação pública para o programa Large Transport Aircraft (LTA) II, que fornecerá novas aeronaves de transporte militar à Força Aérea...

www.aereo.jor.br

 

[FighterJock]

That is the best idea for South Korea, obviously they have decided to go of the shelf C-390 instead of trying to build an equivalent transporter.

 

[kqcke for you]

52 C390 now. Lets wait and see who is next. I think its the perfect time for the big companies to jump on it and fight for it to be the C130 replacement.

 

[helmutkohl]

Any ideas as to what the KAI transporter looked like? If it was the same size as the C-390 then I could see why it was cancled, two cargo lifters in the same size catagory would mean that there is too much competition. Embraer have had a head start with the C-390 and have already had several export orders confirmed.

 

[Scott Kenny]

MC-X has never been an official programme of record to begin with. It was a KAI proposal. Also, it was never meant to fulfill the demands of this recent ROKAF programme (Large Transport Aircraft-II programme but was envisioned to be a long-term project.

Now, if you ask me about the plausibility of MC-X materializing, I should agree that it is low, and to be frank, the odds were never in KAI's favour to begin with imo.

We'll see how a possible cooperation with Embraer will pan out. They were known to be very interested in participating in possible Korean indigenous transport porgramme, but with their recent sales to KSA I'd expect that they'd not be that eager any more.

MC-X might be an idea if it's C-5/C-17 sized.

 

[FighterJock]

It depends on what the Republic of Korean AirForce wants in the future, whether or not it needs such a large transport aircraft to begin with.

 

[Maro.Kyo]

That is the best idea for South Korea, obviously they have decided to go of the shelf C-390 instead of trying to build an equivalent transporter.

As I've wrote directly above your post, that's not how it is planned out.

Might be a potential second chance for the A400M - they are already an Airbus Military customer.

Atlas was part of the bid and lost to Millenium.

 

[Maro.Kyo]

Any ideas as to what the KAI transporter looked like? If it was the same size as the C-390 then I could see why it was cancled, two cargo lifters in the same size catagory would mean that there is too much competition. Embraer have had a head start with the C-390 and have already had several export orders confirmed.

As for Korea, if they've decided to buy off-the-shelf in this size-class, I don't think an indigenous effort for something larger (with smaller markets both domestic and export) is in the cards.

MC-X might be an idea if it's C-5/C-17 sized.

MC-X slots right in between C-130J-30/C-390 and C-2/A400M size. Comparison charts and graphics courtsey Seaseadam (https://blog.naver.com/seaseadam/223269340516)

 

[Scott Kenny]

MC-X slots right in between C-130J-30/C-390 and C-2/A400M size. Comparison charts and graphics courtsey Seaseadam (https://blog.naver.com/seaseadam/223269340516)

That's... Unfortunate. The US is going to have to replace C-5s at some point, probably in the early 2030s. KAI having a design for a 4-engine monster could put them in a good position for the C-5 replacement contract.

 

[Josh_TN]

There’s no way the US would contract that to a foreign country.

 

[helmutkohl]

There’s no way the US would contract that to a foreign country.

I also have some doubts that KAI being able to produce a C-5 4-engined replacement without significant help externally.

KAI thus far only has a plan for a two engined aircraft slightly larger than the C-390.. and certainly much smaller than the C-17, let alone the C-5.

 

[Scott Kenny]

There’s no way the US would contract that to a foreign country.

True, it'd probably have to be built in the US. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be a foreign design.

 

[Josh_TN]

True, it'd probably have to be built in the US. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be a foreign design.

Technically perhaps no, practically there is no possible way that will ever happen for several political reasons. And perhaps a couple of practical military ones on top.

 

[BLACK_MAMBA]

Technically perhaps no, practically there is no possible way that will ever happen for several political reasons. And perhaps a couple of practical military ones on top.

T-45 Goshawk is an adjusted foreign design, designed by foreign company and majority manufactured in said foreign country. Then there is the B-57 too...

 

[GTX]

Saudi Arabia may replace 42 Lockheed C-130s with 33 Embraer C-390s

There are indications that Saudi Arabia is considering a move that might not bode well for the future of the US defense sector, particularly Lockheed Martin.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Deino]

Saudi Arabia may replace 42 Lockheed C-130s with 33 Embraer C-390s

There are indications that Saudi Arabia is considering a move that might not bode well for the future of the US defense sector, particularly Lockheed Martin.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Really? Biulgarianmilitary.com is just plain BS!

 

[GTX]

Often it is BS but not always. This article is supported by others from different sources such as the following:

Saudi Arabia Military Industries joins forces with Embraer on defense cooperation, C-390 - Breaking Defense

"While expanding SAMI’s MRO capabilities is important, the target is to establish joint training activities to develop Saudi talents and transfer skills in the sector," the Saudi firm's CEO said.

breakingdefense.com

 

[carvalho2008]

https://www.cavok.com.br/arabia-saudita-deve-substituir-42-lockheed-c-130-por-33-embraer-c-390

https://www.cavok.com.br/arabia-saudita-deve-substituir-42-lockheed-c-130-por-33-embraer-c-390

 

[sferrin]

Wish we'd buy some.

 

[TomS]

Wish we'd buy some.

If it ever happens in the US, it will be via Boeing, thanks to the joint marketing deal. Does that change your opinion?

 

[GTX]

If it ever happens in the US, it will be via Boeing, thanks to the joint marketing deal. Does that change your opinion?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.

Boeing-Embraer joint venture collapse throws cold water on C-390

Collapse of a joint venture agreement between Boeing and Embraer to promote the Embraer C-390 Millennium will likely make it more difficult to sell the medium-lift transport outside of Brazil, seriously hurting the overall sales of the aircraft programme.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[TomS]

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.

Boeing-Embraer joint venture collapse throws cold water on C-390

Collapse of a joint venture agreement between Boeing and Embraer to promote the Embraer C-390 Millennium will likely make it more difficult to sell the medium-lift transport outside of Brazil, seriously hurting the overall sales of the aircraft programme.

www.flightglobal.com

I knew about the JV implosion, but it looks like the joint marketing agreement may have lapsed recently as well. So maybe BAE instead of Boeing? (This agreement is for the Middle East. No idea who is in charge of marketing it to North America or the US.) Still a super long shot though.

Embraer and BAE Systems sign MoU to market C-390 - Airforce Technology

Embraer and BAE Systems have signed a memorandum of understanding to jointly promote the C-390 transport aircraft into Middle East countries.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[sferrin]

If it ever happens in the US, it will be via Boeing, thanks to the joint marketing deal. Does that change your opinion?

Ugh.

 

[RavenOne]

Hungarys first one has flown

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embraer.com

Cheers

 

[Forest Green]

Embraer sees strong demand for C-390 Millennium airlifter in Asia

Officials said they plan to take the C-390 plane on display at the Singapore Airshow to other countries in the region before returning to Brazil.

www.defensenews.com

 

[carvalho2008]

Folha: Embraer negocia 1ª linha do cargueiro KC-390 fora do Brasil - Poder Aéreo – Aviação, Forças Aéreas, Indústria Aeroespacial e de Defesa

A Embraer negocia com a Arábia Saudita a criação da primeira linha de produção da estrela de seu portfólio militar, o avião de transporte multimissão KC-390, fora do Brasil.

www.aereo.jor.br