Egyptian Indigenous tank developments

[GTX]

Thread for information on Egyptian Indigenous tank developments.

For instance, the "Ramses II"/T-54E M60/T-54 hybrid:

Ramses II main battle tank

The Egyptian Ramses II MBT was an american modernization of the T55

tanks-encyclopedia.com

 

[GTX]

More recently I have heard rumours of Egypt wanting to develop a new Indigenous tank, possibly based on a T-90 but using a gas turbine.

 

[isayyo2]

More recently I have heard rumours of Egypt wanting to develop a new Indigenous tank, possibly based on a T-90 but using a gas turbine.

What a hodgepodge of components, they should just tack on an T-80BVM order if they want turbines that badly...
Or maybe Russia is developing an Arctic T-90M with a GTD-1250 and Egypt wants in for whatever reason?

On a side note, has there been any news on M-60s upgrades, or has their T-90 order sealed the Pattons fate?

 

[hesham]

My dear GTX,

we began to develop it from 1984,and the news about T-90,I don't know
it or they don't tell me that up to this moment,and here is a speculative to
Ramses III.

 

[isayyo2]

My dear GTX,

we began to develop it from 1984,and the news about T-90,I don't know
it or they don't tell me that up to this moment,and here is a speculative to
Ramses III.

Err @hesham I have much respect for you and your dedication to our forum, but is that not the Iraqi T-55 "Enigma"

T-55 Enigma - Tank Encyclopedia

The T-55 Enigma was an Iraqi upgrade to the T-55, adding new but crudely-made composite armor blocks that did little to improve protection.

tanks-encyclopedia.com

 

[GTX]

My dear GTX,

we began to develop it from 1984,and the news about T-90,I don't know
it or they don't tell me that up to this moment,and here is a speculative to
Ramses III.

What you have shown there is simply the Iraqi “T-55 Enigma”

T-55 Enigma - Tank Encyclopedia

The T-55 Enigma was an Iraqi upgrade to the T-55, adding new but crudely-made composite armor blocks that did little to improve protection.

tanks-encyclopedia.com

 

[hesham]

Err @hesham I have much respect for you and your dedication to our forum, but is that not the Iraqi T-55 "Enigma"

Maybe the speculation drawing is wrong,but nobody know how it's,the Project
is real.

 

[monochromelody]

real Ramesis II tank, with elongated chassis, M60 style running gear. Heard that Ramesis II use a Continental AVDS-1790 engine with a Renk RK304 transmission.

 

[monochromelody]

T-34 with BS-3 100mm SPAT variant,
T-34 with D-30 122mm SPG variant

 

[hesham]

The Ramsis III is completely different,looks like a modern one,and its price is 5 Million $.

 

[GTX]

The Ramsis III is completely different,looks like a modern one,and its price is 5 Million $.

Have you got more detailed information incl pictures?

 

[isayyo2]

This little guy is pretty neat too

https://twitter.com/x/status/1095410034140418048

 

[hesham]

Have you got more detailed information incl pictures?

No materials or drawings are available to this moment.

 

[hesham]

Also Sinai-200;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234751018300256256

View: https://twitter.com/mahmouedgamal44/status/1234751018300256256

Sinai-200 APC Made in Egypt

Sinai-200 APC made in Egypt.

defense-tech.blogspot.com

 

[Keyboard Commando]

Is it true Egypt was considering the Vickers Mk.7 before they went for the Abrams? I'm also surprised the US allowed them to have local production rights.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Yes, Egypt carried out trials of the Mk.7 in the mid-1980s, despite the fact that an agreement for domestic licenced final production of the Abrams (in effect a downgraded export variant) had already been agreed in 1984. This may be explained at least in part by the fact that in 1985 serious difficulties were already arising with the Abrams co-production program (the new production line ultimately wouldn't be ready until 1988, and that was really only the start of the program's woes, including massive cost overruns and major technology transfer issues).

 

[Keyboard Commando]

Interesting I've never heard about those issues, were they looking at any other tanks besides the Abrams and Mk.7?

 

[hesham]

Interesting I've never heard about those issues, were they looking at any other tanks besides the Abrams and Mk.7?

We almost thought about Challenger-2,just thinking ?,as I heard,but I am not sure,may that
was not right.

 

[Apophenia]

Also Sinai-200...

Online sources say the Sinai-200 is a product of AZSI (Abu Zaabal Company for Specialized Industries aka Factory 300). Since this is a demonstrator, I presume that AZSI has 'repurposed' existing BMP-1 drivetrain components.

Would a production Sinai-200 use nearly-manufactured drivetrains, I wonder ... or its this strictly a 'recycling' exercise?

 

[hesham]

Online sources say the Sinai-200 is a product of AZSI (Abu Zaabal Company for Specialized Industries aka Factory 300). Since this is a demonstrator, I presume that AZSI has 'repurposed' existing BMP-1 drivetrain components.

Would a production Sinai-200 use nearly-manufactured drivetrains, I wonder ... or its this strictly a 'recycling' exercise?

Nothing is known about that,but it is distinguished by a shield ; Q-NetArmor,and that's not
familiar in small tanks !.

 

[Commander Matta]

More recently I have heard rumours of Egypt wanting to develop a new Indigenous tank, possibly based on a T-90 but using a gas turbine.

What a hodgepodge of components, they should just tack on an T-80BVM order if they want turbines that badly...
Or maybe Russia is developing an Arctic T-90M with a GTD-1250 and Egypt wants in for whatever reason?

On a side note, has there been any news on M-60s upgrades, or has their T-90 order sealed the Pattons fate?

T-90 has been canceled Egypt is looking into Funding for the K2 Panther of South Korea.

 

[Commander Matta]

Online sources say the Sinai-200 is a product of AZSI (Abu Zaabal Company for Specialized Industries aka Factory 300). Since this is a demonstrator, I presume that AZSI has 'repurposed' existing BMP-1 drivetrain components.

Would a production Sinai-200 use nearly-manufactured drivetrains, I wonder ... or its this strictly a 'recycling' exercise?

Nothing is known about that,but it is distinguished by a shield ; Q-NetArmor,and that's not
familiar in small tanks !.

Egypt is making these new build, they are related to both Mtlb and Bmp, Egypt gained MTLB design and production abilities from either Ukraine or Bulgaria.

 

[Commander Matta]

These are the M60 either vismoded to look like Israeli Tanks or with Passive Armor and sideskirts.

 

[Commander Matta]

This is the Egyptian Enigma type which is suitable for the t-62/t-55/4 to its left are M60's.

 

[Pioneer]

Is it true Egypt was considering the Vickers Mk.7 before they went for the Abrams? I'm also surprised the US allowed them to have local production rights.

I'm thinking the U.S. was simply desperate to get anyone to buy and operate the Abrams at the end of the day.

Regards
Pioneer

 

[hesham]

These are the M60 either vismoded to look like Israeli Tanks or with Passive Armor and sideskirts.

That's new for me !.

 

[dan_inbox]

They look like a partial/cheaper copy of the M60T turkish Sabra upgrade ?

 

[Commander Matta]

They look like a partial/cheaper copy of the M60T turkish Sabra upgrade ?

Certainly, though armed with 105mm guns and in T-62 115mm These barrels are getting old, not withstanding 1980s purchases from Mecar and Royal Ordinance.

 

[Commander Matta]

This is old.
This is an Ex British Sherman fitted with t54 tracks (Not to be confused with T-54!) and Amx-13 Fl-10 75mm Turret
Egypt had a few of these, but never had more than 150 Shermans from 1949-1973.

 

[Commander Matta]

This is a T-34 Fitted with T-54/5 road wheels and tracks.
This was in all actually a very popular upgrade, that the soviets also did for their client states.
Egypt included side skirts.

 

[Commander Matta]

This is a T-54/5 fitted with 122mm d-30

 

[Commander Matta]

This is a Bmp fitted with 122mm d-30, It is worth noting that this is casemated, and Egypt has been building the d-30 122mm since ages.

 

[hesham]

All attempts for fitted with 122mm was failed except with another body,and T-34 was involved in 1973 war.

 

[Commander Matta]

All attempts for fitted with 122mm was failed except with another body,and T-34 was involved in 1973 war.

That is correct, with the exception of where Egypt assembled M109's with a casemated 122mm, and Egypt has been fitting base m109s with 122mm which are no longer able to rotate their turrets.

 

[dan_inbox]

Egypt has been fitting base m109s with 122mm which are no longer able to rotate their turrets.

Do you know the designation of those hybrid SPGs with a D-30 ?

 

[dan_inbox]

Long time ago, in Gamal Abdul Nasser's time, there was a design to mount a D-30 on a T-34.
It was called T-34/122 in the West.

 

[isayyo2]

This is a T-34 Fitted with T-54/5 road wheels and tracks.
This was in all actually a very popular upgrade, that the soviets also did for their client states.
Egypt included side skirts.

So a T34 model 1960/69, with T55 skirts and tracks? Looks great!

Were there any accompanying fire-control or ammunition improvements?

 

[Commander Matta]

Egypt has been fitting base m109s with 122mm which are no longer able to rotate their turrets.

Do you know the designation of those hybrid SPGs with a D-30 ?

Ive seen sp122, and m109/122 as its designation

 

[Commander Matta]

This is a T-34 Fitted with T-54/5 road wheels and tracks.
This was in all actually a very popular upgrade, that the soviets also did for their client states.
Egypt included side skirts.

So a T34 model 1960/69, with T55 skirts and tracks? Looks great!

Were there any accompanying fire-control or ammunition improvements?

No not that I am aware of, egypt also used the su 152/100 and did the same to them, finally removing the guns and using them as command post vehicles and engineering vehicles.
Theres not much you could improve on a t-34 fcs in the 1970-85 time period.

 

[Commander Matta]

another look at the sp-122.