Various Dornier Prototypes & Projects

[hesham]

Yes,it's the book,thanks.

 

[TorakLt]

I had a look into the book:
Manfred Griehl, Dornier Do 217-317-417, Eine luftfahrtgeschichtliche Dokumentation, Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart, 1. Auflage 1987.
In chapter "Dornier-Höhenkampfflugzeuge" on pages 173-174 he says:
Do 217 L was designed because Do P 183 did not reached the expectations (only 12.000 m instead of 14.000 m service ceiling).
This design, a project only, had an enlarged wing to 70 qm. There is no drawing.
The list of Do 217 aircraft production numbers on page 233 shows no Do 217 L.

Thank You for your informations!


I remember these from old ages.. The Do-217L was a revised cockpit and armament experiment with the Do-217K V1, V2 planes only 2 were tested....

 

[hesham]

From, Flugzeug Classic Special 03 - Deutsche Kolbenmotor-Bomber und Schlachtflieger 1938-1945

 

[hesham]

The Dornier Do P.30.

Luftwaffe over America

 

[hesham]

From, bomber-dornier-do-17-entwicklung-luftwaffe

 

[hesham]

From, flugboot-dornier-do-wal-teil-1-militaer,

they called it a drawing P.4063.

 

[TorakLt]

single fin D0-217!

 

[Luftfahrtsammler]

View attachment 648260single fin D0-217!

Foto DG+BE Dornier Do217 RV-2 WNr.0030

 

[Arjen]

I have two books that state the one single fin Do 217 was the Do 217K V1
- German Aircraft of the Second World War by Anthony L. Kay & J.R. Smith, Putnam 2002, p.75: "The Do 217K V1 was powered by two 1,700 hp BMW 801D engines and was flown initially with a single fin and rudder"
- Aircraft of the Third Reich - Volume One - Arado to Focke-Wulf by William Green, Aerospace Publishing 2010, p.279: "[...] the Do 217K V1, was briefly flown with an experimental single fin-and-rudder assembly"

Both Green and Kay & Smith state the Do 317 V2 - V6 prototypes were redesignated Do 217R, used operationally in 1944 as carriers for the Hs 293A missile.

Image from Warplanes of the Second World War - Volume Nine - Bombers and Reconnaissance Aircraft by William Green, Macdonald 1967

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi

 

[TorakLt]

Hi Everyone!

Some more drawings...

 

[hesham]

A Dornier cutaway,

Aerophile 1934.

 

[Trust12002]

Dornier Do 30 was a 1959 projected STOL- transport
2xRR Dart each 1938 PS ;rectangular high wing
length: 17,5m
span:22,0m
wing area :65,0m2
take off weigh: 10800kg
payload:3500kg

We might mention also the Do 31. The first and so far only jet powered VTOL transport. Three aircraft were flown in the late sixties. Propulsion was by two Bristol Siddeley Pegasus 5s under the wings. Lift came from the Pegasus and eight RB 162 lift engines, four at each wing tip. The best thing about it was the variety of control means in the hover. Pitch was controlled by jets fore and aft blowing bleed air from the Pegasus. Roll was controlled by differential throttling of the lift engines. And yaw was controlled by tilting the lift engines. The worst thing about it was the appalling noise in the hover.
The project was abandoned around 1970, possibly over worries about logistical support requirements.

 

[hesham]

From, Dornier Do-335 Pfeil.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


from the book; Bernard & Graefe Verlag, Vom Original Zum Modell; Dornier Do X,
here is the original projects and aircraft,which led to Dornier Do X,they are; P.1769,
P.1771,P.1780,P.1190,P.51223 and P.51335.


Also in the book a reference to Entwurf I,Entwurf II and P.1106

With more explanations.

 

[hesham]

In Flieger Revue Extra 92,

a very good article about Dornier Do.335,with one unknown Project.

 

[Wurger]

In Flieger Revue Extra 92,

a very good article about Dornier Do.335,with one unknown Project.

Please develop on the "unknown" project.

 

[hesham]

Please develop on the "unknown" project.

A twin fuselage concept,the text in translation said;

This drawing of the Heinkel
P 1075 with Russian lettering shows the twin
version with the three-headed
Crew in the left fuselage
and the long wings that
probably on the draft
by Ulrich Hütter.
This version is the first time
shown.

 

[hesham]

A twin fuselage concept,the text in translation said;

This drawing of the Heinkel
P 1075 with Russian lettering shows the twin
version with the three-headed
Crew in the left fuselage
and the long wings that
probably on the draft
by Ulrich Hütter.
This version is the first time
shown.

Hi,

Flieger Revue X 92 » Download Digital Copy Magazines And Books in PDF

German | 100 pages | PDF | 19.3 MB

www.hobbymagazines.org

 

[richard B]

this one is better:

https://ppvmedien.de/FliegerRevue-X

 

[HoHun]

Hi Justo,

Same project?
from unknown source

The "fused HR" signature is Hans Redemann's, who was mentioned by Basil in this thread:

Is there any hint from an original source that proves the existence of design work of the P 238 shown in reply #2 and #5?

Hans Redemann who was highly accurate in his research presented this concept as the Do 435 in one of his articles for Flug Revue in the 1980s. As this was the time before speculative "internet art" and the time of still living Dornier designers there is a certain probability that it existed.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

[burunduk]

Hi, friends.

Don't you have info about passenger 1-engined Dornier aircraft Do. K1? Photo, drawings, data, articles? I'd be very glad to see it.

 

[toura]

hello BURUNDUK
FROM "HISTAVIATION.COM"
A LITTLE THING

 

[toura]

one other from "airwar.ru"

 

[burunduk]

toura, thank you a lot.

 

[hesham]

Hi, friends.

Don't you have info about passenger 1-engined Dornier aircraft Do. K1? Photo, drawings, data, articles? I'd be very glad to see it.

My dear Burunduk,

that's from pre WWII,and it is not related to this section ?.

 

[foiling]

Contrary to my statement in the previous post, in the book „Zeppelins Flieger – Das Flugzeug im Zeppelin.Konzern
und in seinen Nachfolgebetrieben“, different authors, published by the Zeppelin-Museum Friedrichshafen ), this project
is said actually to have been contemplated more seriously. A shown picture shows a somewhat different layout to
the one posted before ... and even larger.

Magnificent giant aircraft.

 

[hesham]

Has anyone a drawing to Dornier Do M or Type-M heavy bomber ?.

 

[fightingirish]

Here a German WW2 news reel showing the construction of the Dornier Do 217 P, a prototype for a high altitude bomber and reconnaissance aircraft. Notice the third engine.

View: https://youtu.be/P_FZZFU8LHI

https://youtu.be/P_FZZFU8LHI

 

[HoHun]

Hi,

Here a German WW2 news reel showing the construction of the Dornier Do 217 P, a prototype for a high altitude bomber and reconnaissance aircraft.

Quite fascinating, thanks a lot for posting this!

I think that the content would have been classified material at the time, so it probably wasn't meant for newsreel use, but rather for information on a "need to know" basis. That probably included "selling" the type to the Luftwaffe and the RLM!

Not to say some of this couldn't have shown up in actual newsreels, but it doesn't look like a "propaganda cut".

Funny that they included a shot of the prototype taxying through a pool of mud a the airfield edge ... I guess that was meant to appeal to the target audience! :-D Also interesting that the producer's name is given as "Curt Helling" ... "Helling" is an uncommon, but real German name, but it also means "jig", and it's a bit of a tradition with German stage names to include some technical term from the trade in question.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

 

[VictorXL188]

I have two books that state the one single fin Do 217 was the Do 217K V1
- German Aircraft of the Second World War by Anthony L. Kay & J.R. Smith, Putnam 2002, p.75: "The Do 217K V1 was powered by two 1,700 hp BMW 801D engines and was flown initially with a single fin and rudder"
- Aircraft of the Third Reich - Volume One - Arado to Focke-Wulf by William Green, Aerospace Publishing 2010, p.279: "[...] the Do 217K V1, was briefly flown with an experimental single fin-and-rudder assembly"

Both Green and Kay & Smith state the Do 317 V2 - V6 prototypes were redesignated Do 217R, used operationally in 1944 as carriers for the Hs 293A missile.

Image from Warplanes of the Second World War - Volume Nine - Bombers and Reconnaissance Aircraft by William Green, Macdonald 1967

I remember proof reading the above text from Aircraft of the Third Reich Volume One, and it was the first time I had come across it, but then I saw it in other publications as well.

 

[Aeroweanie]

Does anyone have any information regarding the airfoils used in the wing design of the Do 16, 18, 19, 22, 24, 26, 215 or 217?

 

[hesham]

By the way,

the Dornier Do P.33 was the same as Do.19.

From this book,a good artist drawing to it.

 

[hesham]

From, waffen-arsenal-sonderheft-deutsche-zweimotorige-kampfflugzeuge-im-2-weltkrieg-ju-88

 

[hesham]

Hi,


from the book; Bernard & Graefe Verlag, Vom Original Zum Modell; Dornier Do X,
here is the original projects and aircraft,which led to Dornier Do X,they are; P.1769,
P.1771,P.1780,P.1190,P.51223 and P.51335.


Also in the book a reference to Entwurf I,Entwurf II and P.1106

Again,from 42 Zeppelin-Lindau Aircraft of WWI Claude Dorniers Metal Airplanes 1914-1919

 

[hesham]

From Popular Mechanics 1928/8,

it seemed to be an early artist impressed for Dornier Type-X ?.

 

[Stargazer]

We've already had a series of pre-Do X studies shared in this thread by hesham (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/various-dornier-prototypes-projects.17135/post-253430).
Here is a set of three-view drawings for such designs, designated P 1190, P 51 223 and P 51 333.

Source: Jahrbuch der Wissenschaftlichen Gesellschaft für Luftfahrt, 1929.