De Monge projects

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Hi,

in the 1928 competition for RN.3 three-seat night recce aircraft,
which the main tenders were,ANF-120,Loire-30,Wibault-220 and
De Monge M-120.
The aircraft actually built and here is its data;

http://www.aviafrance.com/9972.htm
 

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Thanks to remind this poorly known twin-boom project. There were many De Monge other twin-boomers (7.2, 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, 150).
 

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Hi,

when I spoke about the De Monge M-120 RN.3 aircraft,my dear
Tophe responded about there are many De Monge twin boom
projects,as he mentioned (7.2, 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, 150),and please
my dear Tophe if you have a more info or drawings to them.

I only found a the Model 7.2 project;

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200761.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200762.html
 

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Hi Hesham,

Here-after some informations from "Aviation Magazine" (Jean Liron, date ?) and "Flugsport" (March 1925) concerning the De Monge Twin-boom aircraft and projects with a main specifications table and two photos (bad, sorry, copy of copies).

Translation of the table:
Type / Engine / Power / Span / Lenght / Height / Wing Area / Empty weight / Total weight / Max speed / Autonomy / Use / Crew + pax / MFG year / Registration / Number produced / Remarks:
Type 7-2: Not finished. "Grand raid" version autonomy: 7000km
Type 7-3: Scale model 1/3 of Type 7-2
Type 7-4: Scale model 1/3 of Type 150
Type 7-5: 2nd scale model 1/3 of Type 150


De Monge also designed a twin boom experimental glider which was engaged at the "Sailplane Offical Meeting of Combegrasse", France, in August 1922, piloted by Casale.
 

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Thank you my dear Retrofit very much,

and for the Type-150,was it a military transport aircraft ?.
 

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I will check, maybe next week-end, but I just had a look on my bibliographic booklet. Sources :
- Burnelli lifting body chapter :
Trait d’Union Bacalan Special : 3v of 7.5
Pilote Privé : 3v of glider 1922
Trait d’Union 171: details on 120
Jane’s 1927 : photo of 7.4, details
Aviation Magazine 383 : 3v of 7.3 and 7.4
The 7.4 and 7.5 were 2-seat models at scale 1/3 of the big 150 with 10 seats (the 7.2 having 32 seats)
- Pod and booms chapter :
Aviation Magazine 384 : 3v of 120RN3

That is all I have written down in the past. What should I check first, someday? (the Pilote Privé photocopy would be very difficult to find this year).

EDIT. The 120RN3 3-view has been posted by Hesham at http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10809.0.html
 

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Hi Triton,

The wording of "The Bugatti Revue " website can be misleading.
The photo shows in fact the full scale Type 7-5, which was itself a 1/3 scale model of the Type 150.

Thank you for this link!
 

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Thank you my dears Very much,

and here is the De Monge 7/4.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/buscaylet_74.php
 

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All of them are amazing my dear Tophe.
 

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But you may understand I will not scan and post 9 full pages of magazine, so choices have to be made. Next week-end maybe, I will check what has already been posted and what is still new. OK.
 

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OK my dear Tophe,

I am interesting in 1.1,1.2,6.1,8-1,9-1,10-1,140 and 160.
 

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My friend Tophe,

I´m intersted in the Monoplane 1914 / 1.1 / 1.2 / 6-1 / 8-1 / 9-1 / 10-1 / 120 / 140 / 150 and 160. Hope you understand, but all thiese birds are new for me.

Thanks Maveric
 

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All right, I will check and scan and post the forthcoming week-end. For the items with just a Mention, it will be even more simple: I just have to translate into English without scan. Soon.
 

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in zeischrift fur luftfahrt 1921 is a mention of de monge 5-1 coupe deutsch racer.is it the lumiere de monge racer? fully describe in the aeroplane number five and flugsport number 19 of 1921. Hispâno suiza 300 hp speed 320km/h. biplane transformation in monoplane
 

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vigair said:
in zeischrift fur luftfahrt 1921 is a mention of de monge 5-1 coupe deutsch racer.is it the lumiere de monge racer? fully describe in the aeroplane number five and flugsport number 19 of 1921. Hispâno suiza 300 hp speed 320km/h. biplane transformation in monoplane
Yes, this aircraft was registrated for the 1921 Coupe Deutsch but crashed on September 23, 1921, following a flutter problem.
Pilot De Romanet was killed.

Source: Book "The Speed Seekers" by Thomas Foxworth.
"During 1921 Viscount Louis Pierre de Monge de Franeau, owner, general manager and directeur technique of Etablissements Lumiere...decided to enter that season's major European air races with a new speedplane...his avion de course designated 5.1..."

Note: In the book is mentioned that prior the race, "De Monge was already at work on the design of a tailless flying wing, a type whose popularity was suddenly burgeoning."
Any information about this tailless flying wing design?
Thanks in advance,
 

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Hi,

The De Monge 5/2 was a single seat fighter fitted with a parasol
wing as a monoplane,it was flown first time in 1923.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200005.html
 

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