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Dassault MIrage III V/STOL Derivatives (Balzac, IIIV)

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Just a trick, I know, but there was a 2-seat version of the Mirage IIIV planned, which
would have been built as number 3 and 4 and was even proposed to the USAF
(from http://www.vstol.org/FrenchVSTOLjets.pdf)
 

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:) I know that. There was a good article about the Mirage IIIV in autumn 1997 in Le Fana de l'aviation. Only the 01 and 02 were build. The 01 was powered by a TF-106 of 7500 kgp, it's top speed was mach 1.3.
The 02 (powered by the TF-306E) reached mach 2.04 on 12th september and this is still the speed record for a VTOL aircraft. The plane crashed two months later, ending the program...
The only survivor of the VTOL Mirage program, the IIIV-01, is on display at Le Bourget museum near Paris.
 

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thank for posting those wounderfull pictures, Justo
 

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Never fails to deliver...thanks Justo!
 

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1946: (ex-RAE axial pioneer) Dr. A.A.Griffith explores very lightweight power. UK derived, from airborne V1/Mistral, Vickers Red Rapier (later, ALCM); RB.82/93 Soar funded as its light/expendable propulsion, adapted as RB.108 liftjet, 5 in Short SC.1, 1957. US from 1957 funded NATO Basic Military Requirements, in part to shepherd FRG back into military industry; France had not yet espoused its counter-productive Anglosphobia, defense a tous azimuths conflation of USSR with USA, and leapt at these industrial/military collaboration opportunities, winning NBMR2 with Atlantique and the Transport with C.160.

A V/STOL Strike type was evolving, so the basic Mirage III platform was adapted for thrust Orpheus and 8 lift RB.108, flying as Balzac in 1962. NBMR.3 was issued 8/61, bid as Mirage IIIV (some Belgian bits; BAC tried to spook onboard)/ATAR (corrected, 21/6, per pr below) thrust/RB162 lift, flying in 1965. All lapsed when HS.P.1154 won the NATO competition, so France pulled out in contumely. Liftjets, ballast for 95% of the sortie, succumbed to swivels; V/STOL succumbed to conventionally powered types in dispersed operation off autobahns.
 

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some online videos about Balzac

[flash=200,200]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRwjADnTb5w[/flash]
note the voice is Rene Bigand the Testpilot of Balzac

[flash=200,200]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ_gp33k80s[/flash]
 

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Dear Boys and Girls, to get this back on-topic; here is a feature in French giving notice that the fantastic Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V-01 prototype had made the first full transition flight at Istres on 24th March 1966......

The feature comes from the 15th April 1966 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a small piece in French announcing the first flight of the fantastic Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V-02 prototype on 22nd June 1966 at Istres......

The piece comes from the 15th July 1966 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

Terry (Caravellarella)......
 

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a contemporary piece in French giving notice that the superb Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype made its successful transition from vertical take-off to horizontal flight on 18th March 1963 at Melun-Villaroche......

The piece comes from the 1st April 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is the first part of a very extensive article in French about the superb Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype......

The article comes from the 1st June 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is the rest of the article in French about the superb Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype from the 1st June 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a picture with a caption in French of the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype used to preface an article about VTOL. The picture shows the Balzac being positioned on the special mobile launch pad which was intended to prevent damage to the ground from the exhaust erosion effects of the 8 lift engines.....

The picture comes from the 15th June 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is an editorial in French about the progress and prospects (or lack thereof) for the Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V programme. The article also compares the programme with that for the Hawker Siddeley P-1127/Kestrel......

The editorial comes from the 1st October 1966 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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I'm always been a great fan of Marcel Dassault especially regarding the outstanding Mirage family.
I have also a question: what are the differences (if ever) among Mirage III-V and Mirage Balzac?
 

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archipeppe said:
I'm always been a great fan of Marcel Dassault especially regarding the outstanding Mirage family.
I have also a question: what are the differences (if ever) among Mirage III-V and Mirage Balzac?
Dear archipeppe, I understand that the Balzac V-001 prototype (which has its own topic)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10281.0.html

was a proof-of-concept test-bed conversion of the very early Mirage III-001 prototype, similar to but much smaller than and actually unrelated to the purpose-built Mirage III V prototypes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a small piece in French announcing the first vertical take-off of the fantastic Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V-01 prototype on 12th February 1965 at Melun-Villaroche......

The piece comes from the 1st March 1965 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

Terry (Caravellarella)......
 

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a picture with a caption in French of the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype as demonstrated at the 1963 Paris Salon alongside the contemporary Hawker P-1127 prototype (which crash-landed during that show).....

The picture comes from the 1st July 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Caravellarella said:
Dear archipeppe, I understand that the Balzac V-001 prototype (which has its own topic)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10281.0.html

was a proof-of-concept test-bed conversion of the very early Mirage III-001 prototype, similar to but much smaller than and actually unrelated to the purpose-built Mirage III V prototypes......
Thanks a lot Terry!! :D
 

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Dear Boys and Girls, here are some Rolls-Royce advertisements in French featuring the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V 001 prototype.

They are from 1963 issues of Aviation Magazine......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a picture with a caption in French announcing that the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype had returned to flight-testing after the fatal crash of 10th January 1964.

On the 125th flight-test puffer-pipe roll control was exceeded during an auto-stabilised descent at Melun-Villaroche. CEV test pilot Jacques Pinnier did not eject and was killed when the Balzac landed inverted after falling 60 metres. The lift engines had continued to run during the crash landing......

The picture comes from the 1st March 1965 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is an article in French about the (then) imminent, but delayed Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V-01 prototype (illustrated by a picture of the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype). The article confirms it was already the intention (at this early stage) to replace the unsatisfactory SNECMA/Pratt & Whitney TF-106 turbofan with the more developed and more powerful TF-306 turbofan......

The article comes from the 1st February 1965 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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Dear Boys and Girls, here is a picture with a caption in French announcing that the Avions Marcel Dassault-Sud Aviation Balzac V-001 prototype would resume flight-testing on 2nd February 1965 after the crash of 10th January 1964. The picture had been used to illustrate an article about the forthcoming Avions Marcel Dassault Mirage III V-01 prototype......

The picture comes from the 1st February 1965 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Detail from http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14633.0.html comparing the prototype Balzac and the Project Mirage IIIV:
Tophe said:
This comes from "L'industrie aéronautique et spatiale française 1907-1982" (GIFAS publishing, 1984). Volume 3 page 103.
ACDAV stands for Avion de Combat à Décollages et Atterissages Verticaux (CA-VTOL: Combat Aircraft with Vertical Take Off and Landing)
 

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Another of my favourite 60s projects was the Mirage IIIV vstol fighter bomber.

Apart from the info that at one time (1965 or so) France hoped to use this plane to replace its F100 Super Sabres and
the fact that the Jaguar E and the Mirage F1 were adopted instead, I cannot find any info on the planned in service
appearance of the Mirage IIIV or what it was planned to carry. My best guess is that it was planned to carry a
nuclear store or two air to air missiles (R530 or Sidewinders).

The excellent French language magazine articles have not helped either
 

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The Mirage IIIV was based on NATO Basic Military Requirement 3 a specification for VTOL strike fighter
This was European program were Britain, Germany and Italy made studies and build prototypes and tested them.
in end only Harrier became operational.

NATO Basic Military Requirement 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBMR-3

It's consisted for aircraft in two performance groups, supersonic fighter aircraft (NBMR-3a) and subsonic fighter-bomber aircraft (NBMR-3b)
on NBMR-3a were two finalist P.1154 and Mirage IIIV (pure Fighter concept with guns and rockets)
on NBMR-3b was the winner VFW VAK 191B (had the Nuclear Strike role)
 

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uk 75 said:
Another of my favourite 60s projects was the Mirage IIIV vstol fighter bomber.

Apart from the info that at one time (1965 or so) France hoped to use this plane to replace its F100 Super Sabres and
the fact that the Jaguar E and the Mirage F1 were adopted instead, I cannot find any info on the planned in service
appearance of the Mirage IIIV or what it was planned to carry. My best guess is that it was planned to carry a
nuclear store or two air to air missiles (R530 or Sidewinders).

The excellent French language magazine articles have not helped either
The answers are in MIRAGE III, volume 3, Chénel-Moreau-Liébert, DTU, 2008, pages 397-398.

I give only the main :

They would have been outwardly very similar to the Mirage IIIV 02, but with no little air intake at the basis of the vertical fin. The Mirage IIIV 03 was 50% built before to be scrapped.

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+For Mirage IIIV 03 and 04 prototypes first studies (1964) :

Radar : GAMD Antilope

Central point :
-1xNuclear weapon (580 kg, 3.80m x 0.50m) or 1x1000l tank
-2xexternal 30mm guns
-2x400kg bombs
-1xMatra 530 or AS 30 missile

2xinternal wing points :
-2x400kg bombs
-2xMatra 530 or AS 30 missiles
-2x1300l tanks

2xexternal wing points :
-2xSidewinder missiles

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+For Mirage IIIV 03 and 04 prototypes second studies (1965, not completely described), no more radar Antilope, but are especially added :

Missile AS 37 and nuclear weapon AN M3 (650kg, 3.80x0.60m)

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+For the Mirage V1 machine series project for France and NATO (1960-61) :

nearly like the Mirage IIIV 03 and 04, but with

-2 x internal 30mm guns
-1 x US nuclear weapon (20') B type

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+For the Mirage V1 machine series project for France alone (1964-65) :

at the end like the Mirage IIIV 03 and 04 from 1965
 

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Thank you Deltafan
I wonder if having a nuclear store on a centre pylon surrounded by jet downthrust would have worked.
 

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I wrote "central point" because of my bad English. Maybe "under the frame" is better...

For the nuclear weapons, it was not foreseen a pylon, but half integrated in the frame.
 
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