I didn't realize that Les Chevaliers du Ciel was a fictional film released in France in 2005. The film was dubbed into English and released as Sky Fighters. Some gorgeous flying photography nonetheless. Is this France's version of Top Gun?2IDSGT said:You'll never see the the Americans do anything that cool for the camera.
Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_FightersTriton said:I didn't realize that Les Chevaliers du Ciel was a fictional film released in France in 2005. The film was dubbed into English and released as Sky Fighters. Some gorgeous flying photography nonetheless. Is this France's version of Top Gun?2IDSGT said:You'll never see the the Americans do anything that cool for the camera.
Good luck convincing the USN to take those kind of risks for the next TopGun movie (if such a thing is ever made).Les Chevaliers du Ciel was filmed in co-operation with the French Air Force. Initially the standard safety rules applied, but eventually the minimum allowed altitude was reduced to 3 m (10 ft) and the minimum distance between aircraft was reduced to 1 m (3 ft). The filming of these flight sequences seen in the film were mainly done from the air, as opposed to Top Gun where most of the filming was done from the ground.
To achieve this, one of the Mirage's external fuel tanks was modified to fit a camera. A HD camera was considered for this purpose, but it did not fit in the fuel pod. Tracking shots were done from a hired Lear Jet.
Additionally, jet aircraft are not allowed to fly over Paris. As a result of this, all the Paris filming had to be done on the actual Bastille Day (14 July) for which the filming crew got special permission.
Unpopular opinion here but really loved the Mirage 2000Notice how the Mirage seems to have better roll authority than a Rafale at high alpha.
As much as i love the 2000, its an old plane now. And Rafale opened possibilities to AdlA which it never had before. How many refuelings would 2000s had needed had they be the only ones used for the opening raids in Libya , just as one example.Unpopular opinion here but really loved the Mirage 2000Notice how the Mirage seems to have better roll authority than a Rafale at high alpha.
and as a 4th gen aircraft I felt they could have held on to the design a bit longer with more upgrades and variants
and went on to an actual mid-weight 5th gen design, instead of a 4.5 gen in the rafale.
While the AF could make do with just upgraded and new Mirage 2000 variants.. their navy would have to wait longer of course, but could have went for the F-18A/C in the meantime to replace the F-8s and Entendards
and today the F-18 would be phased out by the 5th gen French aircraft already
it is only HALF a generation ahead of the Mirage 2000.As much as i love the 2000, its an old plane now. And Rafale opened possibilities to AdlA which it never had before. How many refuelings would 2000s had needed had they be the one used for the opening raids in Libya , just as one example.
Rafale IS another generation. For the AdlA/MN at least, it offers more performances than it ever had, with the advantage of having bought a domestic aircraft and kept the expertise of doing fighter plane at home.
Maybe it's not the one you like, but mater of fact, they (AdlA and Marine) like it.
Dassault would not have survived by doing upgraded 2000s .
And yes without Rafale, the navy would have bought Hornets, only now would not buy any "5th gen French fighter", they would buy F-35s... Because without Rafale, no more Dassault, without Dassault, no more French fighter aircraft industry, so i don't know from were they would get that "5th gen French fighter"...
As for the 2000 having "more roll authority" than a Rafale...sigh....
Why have i clicked on that "show ignored content" button ?...
yeah actually if forced between the Typhoon and Rafale, Luftwaffe should have bought the Rafale..Hey Helmuthkohl
Since you were a good friend of Mitterrand (and Archibald's real name is François, how about that) you should have forced your Luftwaffe to buy some Mirage 2000s and Rafales instead of Typhoon, back in 1985...
agreed. I'm not saying a hypothetical later variant Mirage 2K would be superior or equal to a Gripen E.. but it would be roughly in the same class, and would be a more popular export item for most countries than the heavier Rafale.2k has been only minimally upgraded in term of airframe and that is an ill-advised manager choice. A serious airframe refresh would have found a market (that includes offering engines alternatives) .
The Gripen E is nothing more than a Swedish 2k.
The Teja MkII is nothing more than an Indian 2K.
We have here a market of hundreds of airframe that won't have let anyone shy if Dassault had its things kept in order.
Think also Taiwan that could have been useful in sharing production cost.
Even French Mod have expressed a wish to see the airframe modernized.
Exactly, and even when they were desperate to sell some Rafales, they were not selling much 2000s either. Because indeed lots of potential costumers made their own, KF-50, Teja, Gripen, or bought cheap Migs...ect... And add the F-16 factor.Back in the early 2000's Dassault was all aware that the Rafale was in perilous shape.
- France had cut orders from 320 to 180 (give or take)
- Even after a complete "takeover" of Armée de l'air and Aéronavale fleets
- At some point before the end of Cold War (and even after, until 1995) the AdA refused to get below a treshold of 450 combat aircraft, plus 42 Crouze +71 S.E aéronavale fleet, total should have been 450+113 = 563 Rafales... you see where this went: 320, then 180... it shrunk...
- Rafale exports orders were deadlocked from 1995 until 2015 - 20 years !
- and this is paramount: Dassault made a deliberate choice to kill the Mirage 2000 so that id did not ate Rafale troublesome export orders (well, non-existing would be a more appropriate term).
- don't forget that Dassault policy is to stay small/medium - never grow too big, with the family and thrusted friends (Edestenne) always staying in control
- the downside of this policy is, unlike a colossus like Lockheed Martin, Dassault can't afford a F-16E / block 60 & F-35 parallel effort.
Mig-29 and the proliferating Chinese types were / are similar: colossal USSR defense budget back then, colossal PRC defense budget nowadays.Only LM can still have F-16 line together with the F-35, because it's financed by the ginormous US defence budget.