D.Sandys resigns over a scandal

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Could have happened, after all he's suspect No.1 in a certain salacious photograph involving the Duchess of Argyll..... a.k.a the headless torso.

What if that happened just prior to the Defence White Paper of 1957, leaving everything in a hiatus for a while longer as the PM scrabbles to control the fallout and appoint a new Minister?
 
My money would be on Reginald Maudling to replace Sandys.

He was an ally of Macmillan but had been out of the Cabinet after refusing to continue at the Ministry of Supply and had rejected Minister of Health because of a rivalry with Iain Macleod. So he lurked about as Paymaster General and spokesman in the House of Commons for the Ministry of Fuel and Power. It wasn't until September 1957 that he came back into the Cabinet as a Minister without Portfolio with a strong focus on strong-arming the EEC to reject a customs union - which he failed at.

He was one of the few experienced members available for Minister of Defence and he had knowledge of, and arguably axes to grind at, the MoS. Watkinson, Sandy's real successor had only just come into the Cabinet. Indeed having only been in power since January it was a Cabinet still settling in so swapping some of the big guns from their briefs might have been difficult.

I could see Maudling pushing through the Defence Review, I don't think there was any chance of stopping it at that stage. Macmillan would have needed a better reason to modify the cuts and I don't think losing Sandys would provide that. He had the experience of the V.1000 and Swift hatchet jobs too.

Certainly a scandal then with Sandys would meant disaster at the time of Profumo, the government would have fallen I think in 1963. I don't think it would have in 1957.
 
Sandys? Resign? Would never happen.

Profumo only resigned because he was a) pretty much caught red-handed and b) he, as was proved in later life, quite honorable.

Anyway, still can't prove that he was the headless man.

Chris
 
So obviously this being AH, something will come up that identifies said torso as Sandys.

And while it might not stop the Defence Review conclusions, it might delay the process.

The key questions thus are.

What does happen during that delay?
And does any of the extreme conclusions driven by Sandys himself get changed at all?
 
Sandys taking a selfie with the Polaroid? I doubt anything would have changed. Macmillan was the driver of the cuts, Sandys was but the Rosa Kleb to his Blofeld.

An alternate history would be for Churchill to keep on going.

Chris
 
And does any of the extreme conclusions driven by Sandys himself get changed at all?
What extreme conclusions?

Priority and Money still to BMs for the deterrent.

The fantasy interceptors still don't really provide credible protection for the deterrent.

RAF/Industry don't have a back up multi purpose fighter (supersonic Hunter analogue) to fall back on once the fantasy interceptors are canned.
 
RAF/Industry don't have a back up multi purpose fighter (supersonic Hunter analogue) to fall back on once the fantasy interceptors are canned.
I would disagree here. The Hawker P.1121 (and it's variants) would have been a very capable multirole fighter-bomber. Killing every manned aircraft program was the height of stupidity. While I agree with the conclusion that war with the USSR was almost certain to go nuclear within a day or two of the war starting, and that manned interceptors would have limited utility given the proliferation of theater and intercontinental ballistic missiles, they were completely and utterly off their gourd to believe that manned aircraft would have no role to play in any future war.
 
I would disagree here. The Hawker P.1121 (and it's variants) would have been a very capable multirole fighter-bomber. Killing every manned aircraft program was the height of stupidity.

But Sandy's didn't kill off P1121 or all manner aircraft programmes. This simply isn't true.

Instead he was asking RAF and Industry for exactly that sort of more "limited war" type you mentioned.
 
"No manned fighters"
"Unfortunately the Lightning is too far gone to cancel"
 
There is a tendency here to view developments in the UK in this period in isolation.
NATO had a process of going through each member's proposed military contributions. JFC Fuller posted a very good NATO review of our contribution which showed the things they thought we needed to do.
The much quoted move to missiles and away from manned systems was driven not by Sandys but by the development of Soviet rocket forces in Eastern Europe.
A prolongued conventional war was thought unlikely with the arrival of Hydrogen bombs.
Until the 1961 Berlin and 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis changes things, resources were skewed to a whole panoply of nuclear weapons aimed at detering war and being used quickly if deterrence failed.
The United States was fortunate in having a large enough budget and global role to produce equipment that could be used in both nuclear and conventional war.
As I keep having to point out none of the projects that died in the period 1956 to 1966 were as good as we like to think.
 
RAF/Industry don't have a back up multi purpose fighter (supersonic Hunter analogue) to fall back on once the fantasy interceptors are canned.
This is one that bridges the realms of AH and Theory. But I have mused and done some crude calculations on that sort of thing. A lot of components that were real or research funded to tests and trials did exist that could have made it possible.
The P.1103 to P.1121 gets quite close to being just this.
 
To keep on track (we've had countless P.1121 discussions), we have to really get a grip on the timelines here.

Harold Macmillan formed his Cabinet on 10th January 1957, chosen to do its bidding at his will.
The Defence White Paper was circulated in draft form to the Cabinet on 15th March.

That's just under two months to get on top of his brief, for the civil servants to do a through analysis and compose a coherent defence strategy.
So its clear that such rapid progress indicates the prime concern the government had with defence policy and that this was following a trend already in motion. The 1954 white paper on military aircraft procurement following the Swift fiasco had raised some important concerns, the Strath Report in 1955 had painted a bleak picture if detterence failed and what the implications were for the entire nation, the Air Staff had already decided to stop the Avro 730 by early 1957.
Its also clear that similar policies were being enacted in Washington, Paris and Moscow. This was not an isolated policy on the whims of one man. A lot of groundwork had already been laid down under the previous Churchill and Eden governments.

On manned fighters, I don't think that the "no more manned fighters" is really an accurate description of what was actually discussed. The first draft was rather more circumspect about the timing and progress of SAM defences, the later use of the term "due course" is suitably vague as to mean sometime in the future. If anything its less definite than the 1958 date given in the first draft for experimental deployment to begin.
These are quotes from the versions the Cabinet discussed; first draft 15th March:
Defence of Deterrent
(a) Since peace depends upon the effectiveness of the deterrent, it is essential that any would-be aggressor should not imagine he could readily knock out the bomber or rocket bases. Though great cities cannot at present be protected against nuclear attack, the defence of the very much smaller target presented by an airfield is an altogether more manageable task. There is every reason to believe that fighters would be able to interfere sufficiently with enemy bombers for the short time needed to enable the retaliatory force to take off.

(b) The Government have accordingly decided that air defence must be provided for the nuclear deterrent. A manned fighter force of adequate size for this purpose will be maintained. This will later be replaced by a ground-to-air guided missile system. In order to gain experience it is proposed to deploy a small number of guided missile units, equipped with the first British weapons of this kind, starting in 1958.

(c) There are grounds for hoping that it may ultimately prove possible to devise missile defences even against attack by ballistic rockets. Research on this problem, in collaboration with the United States Government, is being intensified.

Draft 30th March:
Defence of the Deterrent
16. Since peace so largely depends upon the deterrent fear of nuclear retaliation, it is essential that a would-be aggressor should not be allowed to think he could readily knock out the bomber bases in Britain before their
aircraft could take off from them. The defence of the bomber airfields or rocket launching sites is therefore an essential part of the deterrent and is, we believe, a feasible task. A manned fighter force for this purpose will be maintained and will progressively be equipped with air-to-air guided missiles. These fighter aircraft will in due course be replaced by a ground-to-air guided missile system.

17. The possibility is not being overlooked that scientific progress may eventually make it possible to devise a means of defence even against bombardment by ballistic rockets. Research on this problem, in collaboration with the United States, is being intensified.
 
Sandys' sole personal contribution to the Storm was to hold all military Seniors in post, even if grumpily. He made: “no basic revolution in policy (he) rationalizes policies accepted (by most Govts, and) urged (on) Allies for some years”. ex-CAS Slessor, R.N.Rosecrance,Defense of the Realm,CUP,68,P222.

All the deletions were by consensus of Ministers, Marshals and Admirals - who did well to retain the Strike carriers. So, if Brig Head, his predecessor, had knuckled down to what his new boss wanted - the axe, widely - the Air deletions would have been...just the same. Sandys would have swung Mac's axe elsewhere.

If Tory MPs had chosen RA Butler to succeed PM Eden...the axe would have been even sharper, withdrawal earlier from various sunspots. RAB had been Chancellor longer than Mac and knew just how broke we were.
 
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