Consolidated R2Y "Liberator Liner"

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Do anyone know anything about the Consolidated R2Y1?
I seems it was a transporter / cargo aircraft for the US Navy after WWII.
The designation might be wrong also. ???
Links: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=R2Y1&w=all&s=int
EDit: see next post
 

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Re: Consolidated R2Y1 - A US Navy transporter / cargo aircraft?

The R2Y-1 was the Consolidated Model 39 Liberator Liner (redesignated as Consolidated-Vultee Model 104).
 

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I love the fact that you could just back a standard flatbed truck up to the cargo door and unload it.
 

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What is the difference between the commercialized Model 33 (a B-32 Dominator derivative -- see top photo) and the Model 39 (bottom photo)? Both projects appear generally identical to me.

While the Model 39 is a B-24 Liberator development, it uses the the vertical fin of the B-32. Further, the design study serialization is not chronological, as the commercialized Model 33 appeared in May 1943, after the commercialized Model 39. I'm a bit confused.
 

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What is the difference between the commercialized Model 33 (a B-32 Dominator derivative -- see top photo) and the Model 39 (bottom photo)? Both projects appear generally identical to me.

While the Model 39 is a B-24 Liberator development, it uses the the vertical fin of the B-32. Further, the design study serialization is not chronological, as the commercialized Model 33 appeared in May 1943, after the commercialized Model 39. I'm a bit confused.

The Model 33 is considerably larger with a 12' diameter fuselage and 135' wingspan.

The vertical tail of the Model 39 is from the PB4Y-2 Privateer.

As a B-24 development the Model 39 was preceded by the Model 32, which in profile looked very similar to the Avro York,
however with a round rather than square cross-section fuselage.
 

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joncarrfarrelly said:
circle-5 said:
What is the difference between the commercialized Model 33 (a B-32 Dominator derivative -- see top photo) and the Model 39 (bottom photo)? Both projects appear generally identical to me.

While the Model 39 is a B-24 Liberator development, it uses the the vertical fin of the B-32. Further, the design study serialization is not chronological, as the commercialized Model 33 appeared in May 1943, after the commercialized Model 39. I'm a bit confused.

The Model 33 is considerably larger with a 12' diameter fuselage and 135' wingspan.

The vertical tail of the Model 39 is from the PB4Y-2 Privateer.

As a B-24 development the Model 39 was preceded by the Model 32, which in profile looked very similar to the Avro York,
however with a round rather than square cross-section fuselage.

Thank you for un-confusing me. I certainly did not realize the Model 33 was so large. Makes sense now.
 

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The 39 used more than just the vertical tail. It also used the horiontal tail & wings & engines, IIRC. It was more of a direct development of the Privateer than a Liberator. The 33 was essentially a new fuselage using the wings, engines & tail of the B-29, as the B-32 was originally intended to use the B-29 tail as well.


joncarrfarrelly said:
circle-5 said:
What is the difference between the commercialized Model 33 (a B-32 Dominator derivative -- see top photo) and the Model 39 (bottom photo)? Both projects appear generally identical to me.

While the Model 39 is a B-24 Liberator development, it uses the the vertical fin of the B-32. Further, the design study serialization is not chronological, as the commercialized Model 33 appeared in May 1943, after the commercialized Model 39. I'm a bit confused.

The Model 33 is considerably larger with a 12' diameter fuselage and 135' wingspan.

The vertical tail of the Model 39 is from the PB4Y-2 Privateer.

As a B-24 development the Model 39 was preceded by the Model 32, which in profile looked very similar to the Avro York,
however with a round rather than square cross-section fuselage.
 

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I'm completely at a loss for a three-view arrangement of the Liberator Liner... Any leads?
 

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There is a very pleasing 3-view (& brief account) of the XR2Y-1 in the excellent & just-published book "American Military Transport Aircraft since 1925" by E R Johnson, illustrated by Lloyd S Jones.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
I'm completely at a loss for a three-view arrangement of the Liberator Liner... Any leads?
No three-views, but hopefully helpful, a couple of cutaways posted at the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Flickr Photostream, plus a whole bunch of photos, including some of the interior and cockpit (link):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/7585835628/in/photostream/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/7585835708/
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Somewhere in my stash I have some old "Fact Files" I think they're called, put out by Lloyd S. Jones many years ago. One of the Fact Files is a 3 or 5 view drawing of the R2Y. I'm in the process of moving and Lord only knows where they are, but I may have a copy fairly handy in my box of Matchbox PB4Y-2 and B-29 fuselage for my R2Y scratchbuild. If I can locate it, I'll try to get it posted. OTOH since Jones illustrated the aforementioned book, it might be the same drawing.
 

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IIRC, the B-32 single tail and entire empennage, was B-29. The production B-32 heightened the fin, tho in a different manner from the B-50.
 

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foiling said:
There is a very pleasing 3-view (& brief account) of the XR2Y-1 in the excellent & just-published book "American Military Transport Aircraft since 1925" by E R Johnson, illustrated by Lloyd S Jones.

Just published?? You mean the great Lloyd S. Jones is still around? Or rather, is are the pics reprinted from an old Aero book he did back in the sixties or something?

Sounds great anyway!
 

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Vol. 1 of Convair Secret Projects has very good documentation on this one as well as most of the seaplanes and large landplanes that came out of San Diego before things were transferred to teh Fort Worth plant.
 

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I found that 3 view I mentioned. Since I'm technologically challenged and have trouble posting images, :) if you'll PM me your email address
I'll email it to you and not only will you have it, but you can post it.

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I'm completely at a loss for a three-view arrangement of the Liberator Liner... Any leads?
 

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Hi Stargazer2006. Sorry not to reply sooner, but I expected members more knowledgable than me - & that is most of them - would have responded to your comments. E R Johnson has produced several books on American aircraft that I like very much, all illustrated by Lloyd Jones. I would have assumed that the drawings were done specifically for these books as they include several very unusual aircraft that would perhaps not often have been illustrated before this, such as the 'Liberator Liner'.
I have the following books in the 'series': "American Military Transport Aircraft since 1925" (2013), "American Attack Aircraft since 1926" (2008), "American Flying Boats & Amphibious Aircraft" (2010). I highly recommend them all. There is also a volume "United States Naval Aviation 1919 - 1941" (2011) but I have not purchased this one yet, as it is low on my list of priority books at present.
 

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Thanks a lot famvburg! I'm sending you a PM with my e-mail address right away.

Thanks foiling. I know most of these but not the most recent title you've mentioned. I'll definitely go and check it out.
 

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Vol. 1 of Convair Secret Projects has very good documentation on this one as well as most of the seaplanes and large landplanes that came out of San Diego before things were transferred to teh Fort Worth plant.
I have volumes 1 and 2 of books titled Convair Advanced Designs by Robert E. Bradley.
Volume 1 published by Specialty Press in 2010.
Volume 2 published by by Crecy in 2013.

With difference in title are those the same books or different books?
 

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