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Columbia Uncle Sam Transoceanic Aircraft Project

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Hi,

maybe Mr. Alexander Kartveli had many unknown Project in earlier period of his career ?.
 

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The project depicted is not the 'Uncle Sam' designed and constructed
by Kartveli ,Thieblot and Cagniard for Mr.Levine.

Uncle Sam was an all metal , underpowered single engined prototype.

Perhaps the illustration shows a planned future concept for Mr. Levine
 

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Thank you for the Info my dear Lark.
 

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a bit more...

The "Uncle sam" was designed by Alexander Kartveli, Armand Thieblot and Edmund Chagnaird.
It was intended to set some long distance records so that funds could be raised for

'an even more ambitious 50 ton , 50 passenger trans Atlantic liner'

Eliptical shape of the wing would reappear in later Kartveli designed Seversky and Republic products.
Kartveli and his felloiw engineers has specified the use of a Farman engine, whit which they were familliar
but Levine,in a typical move, insisted that they use a Packard2A-1500 engine.
As a result , Uncle Sam, was terribly underpowered..

So far : Walt Boyne in "Wings" , June 1980. p.43.

The illustration found by Hesham shows the 50 ton trans Altlantic I guess..
 

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OK my dear Lark,

and I was asking about if there was unknown Project in early period to Kartveli ?.
 

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Hi

Edmund Chagniard was my grand father.

I recently found some pictures and data from his collaboration with Kartvely.

This wing project was devellop by Edmond Chagniard as designer and airplane constructor, and Alexander Kartveloff as technical engineer .

Plane was suppose to be produced in France but at that time they didn't had any serious offer except from Charles Levine ( Columbia Air Liners )
They travel in october 1927 to Long Island were they integrate the Uncle sam plane project.

Unfortunatelly 1929 crisis arrived and stop the project, so my grandfather travel back to france
 

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Amazing and brilliant,thank you Lulu105,and welcome aboard.
 

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So the term LCK-1 means the three names mentioned Levine-Chagniard-Kartvely No.1?
 

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Hi Lulu105,

can I ask you of your grand father,Mr. Edmund Changiard had anther Projects or little known airplanes,not published ?,
and thanks in advanced.
 

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Hi Lulu105,

can I ask you of your grand father,Mr. Edmund Changiard had anther Projects or little known airplanes,not published ?,
and thanks in advanced.
his name is chagniard (and french surname Edmond)

Well he also participate to build the famous uncle sam. I have many pictures from its construction
My uncle will visit me this weekend : i'll ask him if he heard about something else...
 

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his name is chagniard (and french surname Edmond)

Well he also participate to build the famous uncle sam. I have many pictures from its construction
My uncle will visit me this weekend : i'll ask him if he heard about something else...
I'd like to see a three-view drawing or other plans of the aircraft, if you have them. These huge commercial aircraft projects from the golden age of flight are among my favorite subjects.
 

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his name is chagniard (and french surname Edmond)

Well he also participate to build the famous uncle sam. I have many pictures from its construction
My uncle will visit me this weekend : i'll ask him if he heard about something else...
I'd like to see a three-view drawing or other plans of the aircraft, if you have them. These huge commercial aircraft projects from the golden age of flight are among my favorite subjects.
I've picture from uncle sam plane

I'll open a new discussion on it...
 
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