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Didn't the Pentagon spend a shit ton of $$$$ developing MGM-166 LOSAT specifically to replace the TOW missile system??

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Didn't the Pentagon spend a shit ton of $$$$ developing MGM-166 LOSAT specifically to replace the TOW missile system??

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And then replaced that with CKEM - which they also cancelled.


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So basically a new MGM-157.

Not really. Primarily intended for direct fire while EFOGM was meant to be used almost entirely non-LOS. And was twice the size of TOW.

Didn't the Pentagon spend a shit ton of $$$$ developing MGM-166 LOSAT specifically to replace the TOW missile system??

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Sort of? LOSAT was massive overkill, and would really have replaced TOW only in dedicated AT vehicles. Again, much larger than TOW and would not have fit on Bradley IFVs/CFVs.

And then replaced that with CKEM - which they also cancelled.

CKEM was closer to being fit to purpose, but still much larger than TOW.

The common theme here is size. The CCMS-H is meant as a direct physical replacement for TOW, the same way JAGM is a pretty direct drop in replacement for Hellfire. The closest existing weapon has to be Spike ER II. But even that doesn't quite fit the request for a weapon that fits in existing TOW launchers.
 

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TOW 3 info

"The industry expert noted at a TOW International User’s summit in late 2017 revealed plans for the evolution of the missile to a TOW3 configuration to continue to exceed future near-peer competition on the battlefield. A TOW3 missile would include a more insensitive munitions (IM) compliant propellant, improved stability and safety, and other enhancements. The evolved missile would be backward compatible with any current launch systems in the field today."

https://monch.com/mpg/news/land/3050-tow1.html (March 2018)

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"Developed by ATK (NYSE: ATK), the enhanced system doubles TOW's range and reduces the missile's flight time by one-third.
During the test, the developmental propulsion system flew the missile more 4 miles and reached 2.5 miles in less time than the previous propulsion system."

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/t...n-tests-new-propulsion-system-for-tow-missile (Febuary 2012)
 
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If it uses a TOW tube, why isn't it a TOW? (see TOW RF)

Half the weight of a HJ-10 with the same range is interesting. 10km range seems the right number for masted vehicle self targeting.
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CKEM/LOSAT is imo more a proof of invalidity of tank firepower-armor arms race than a practical weapon if one doesn't face swarms of APS with a very particular performance band.

Minimum range means it is useless in the Hills of Germany, costs are double of mmW missiles. Kinetic kill means it is useless against anything that is not a tank, while recent wars have shown that ATGMs are useful omni-functional weapons that can kill every not-very-fast things in ground combat.
 

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TOW 2N (1989) - wireless command, supersonic speed and a range of 10 000 yards (9,14 km).
(from A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware (Routledge Revivals))
 
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