China Expanded Air Defense Zone

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bobbymike said:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-make-sure-americas-aircraft-carriers-can-battle-china-19422
“A 2000-mile combat sortie, however, would take at least 10 hours round-trip, which exceeds the reasonable endurance of a pilot in an ejection seat,” the report stats. “For these missions, the CVW would therefore need an Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UCAV) with an unrefueled combat radius of greater than 500 nm to ensure refueling aircraft could remain outside the reach of adversary air defenses and defensive CAPs. The vehicle would also need to be stealthy, so it can penetrate the highly contested airspace near the Chinese mainland.”

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Or you send B-21's based in Australia...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/us-stealth-fighter-jets-planes-f-22-northern-australia-south-china-sea-pacific-command-a7473701.html
 

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NeilChapman said:
Or you send B-21's based in Australia...
You really have as much chance as a snowball in hell for that to happen. You have absolutely no understanding of the predicament that the mutual antagonism that is occurring in the South China Sea is causing to the Australian Government. On one hand, you have our largest (and I mean LARGEST) trading partner and on the other, our (supposed) main security guarantee partner...

I do wish Beijing and Washington would get over their school yard bully-boy tactics and sit down and actually thrash this out. Beijing is on a sticky wicket indeed but they just refuse to recognise it and Washington prefers "quick" (translate to read "nasty") responses to being diplomatic and turning the screw of trade against Beijing. ::)
 

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-china-usa-idUSKBN15U16Y?utm_content=bufferab40a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 

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Evidence that this areas politics are more complicated than contributors would like to pretend.
China' relationship with North Korea is complex and real attempts to contain and discipline North Korea's regime wil need to be in concert with China.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39015529
 

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/us-navys-carrier-strike-group-starts-patrolling-in-scs/articleshow/57225236.cms

So much for the "warning."
 

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-southchinasea-exclusive-idUSKBN161029
 

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https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/
 

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bobbymike said:
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/
I. Am. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
 

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sferrin said:
bobbymike said:
https://amti.csis.org/chinas-sam-shelters-spratlys/
I. Am. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
Why the shock? I understood the USAF had "bunker buster" bombs. Didn't they use them in Iraq against Iraqi bomb shelters?
 

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He was being sarcastic there.


http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/us-fonops-actually-conceded-maritime-rights-to-china/
 

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Yet when another country decides to defend its actual, undisputed territory witness the panty-wringing:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/181821/china-promises-retaliation-for-thaad-deployment-to-korea.html

"The deployment of THAAD provides China with the reason to increase the number and quality of strategic nuclear weapons.

Now, if China launches missile tests in the Pacific, or even re-starts nuclear tests, the outside world will be more understanding. China must seize this opportunity brought by the deployment of THAAD to improve its overall strategic nuclear power so as to turn bad things into good. "

I only wish China would be so stupid. Perfect excuse for the US to restart its own nuclear testing.
 

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sferrin said:
... Perfect excuse for the US to restart its own nuclear testing.
That may be more difficult than one might expect.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25404.msg300210.html#msg300210
 

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NeilChapman said:
sferrin said:
... Perfect excuse for the US to restart its own nuclear testing.
That may be more difficult than one might expect.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25404.msg300210.html#msg300210
All the more reason to start ASAP.
 

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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-plans-1st-structure-in-disputed-south-china-sea
 

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http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/02/beijing-wants-limit-foreign-submarine-operations-near-its-south-china-sea-islands/135582/
 

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Grey Havoc said:
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/02/beijing-wants-limit-foreign-submarine-operations-near-its-south-china-sea-islands/135582/
Good luck with that.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/philippines-duterte-orders-troops-to-disputed-south-china-sea-in-possible-new-rift-with-beijing/2017/04/06/8eb50e1a-1aa9-11e7-8003-f55b4c1cfae2_story.html
 

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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/philippines-duterte-orders-troops-to-disputed-south-china-sea-in-possible-new-rift-with-beijing/2017/04/06/8eb50e1a-1aa9-11e7-8003-f55b4c1cfae2_story.html
This guy can't seem to make up his mind what he wants to do.
 

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sferrin said:
This guy can't seem to make up his mind what he wants to do.
You're really surprised by this, given the fact that the guy has been repeatedly literally called a brawler?
 

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martinbayer said:
sferrin said:
This guy can't seem to make up his mind what he wants to do.
You're really surprised by this, given the fact that the guy has been repeatedly literally called a brawler?
Well all he's really managed to do is piss everybody off.
 

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http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1668461-congress-seeks-new-detail-on-chinese-weapons

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1043653.shtml
 

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http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/satellite-images-suggest-china-arming-strategic-south-china-20583
 

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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.
 

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bobbymike said:
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.
Of course, the fact it secured the peace in Europe and helped end the Cold War is forgotten, isn't it? ::)
 

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Not to mention that even back in the day, the Soviets were doing end runs around it. Such as when they transferred SS-23 Spider systems to the (nominal) control of East Germany and some other Warsaw Pact countries. When that little ruse came out it was a major embarrassment to the US State Department, who had been assuring Congress, as well as Reagan and then Bush, that the Soviets were in compliance with the treaty despite warnings to the contrary from various intelligence agencies.
 

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Kadija_Man said:
bobbymike said:
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.
Of course, the fact it secured the peace in Europe and helped end the Cold War is forgotten, isn't it? ::)
And I'm sure the Treaty of Westphalia was effective at the time. The point being times change the world and the threats we face are different. INF was signed with not a thought given to the threat of dozens if not hundreds of Chinese IRBMs possibly with maneuvering hypersonic glide vehicles targeting our carriers typically outside the range of our offensive weaponry. Locking yourself into a 30 year old Treaty given this new reality is folly at best and dangerous at worst.
 

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Cleaned up and temporarily locked, until the flared tempers have cooled down a bit. ::)
 

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As it was locked only "temporarily", let's have a try and see, if a reasonable discussion is posible now ....
 

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Grey Havoc said:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2159891/string-chinese-satellites-keep-real-time-watch-south

China will next year start launching a series of satellites to track water conditions and traffic, and reinforce “national sovereignty” throughout the South China Sea, according to state media.

In all, six optical satellites, two hyperspectral satellites and two radar satellites will keep a real-time daily watch on the contested waters and monitor key areas several times a day as part of the Hainan satellite constellation system, China News Service reported on Monday.

Yang Tianliang, director of the academy’s Sanya Institute of Remote Sensing, said the network would enable authorities based in Hainan to speed up their response to emergencies, more effectively administer the South China Sea, and improve exploration and development of the resource-rich waters.

“Each reef and island as well as each vessel in the South China Sea will be under the watch of the ‘space eyes’,” Yang said. “The system will [reinforce] national sovereignty, protection of fisheries, and marine search and rescue.”

The programme is being carried out by the Chinese Academy of Sciences and is expected to be completed by 2021.

In the programme’s first phase, three of the optical satellites will be launched in the second half of next year. They will be equipped with optical remote sensors, a system to identify ships and cameras designed to monitor the ocean’s surface.

The network’s initial priority was to cover all of the South China, Sea so the cameras in the first three satellites will be strong enough only to focus on large and mid-sized vessels, the report said.

The two hyperspectral satellites to be launched in the second phase in 2020 will be able to assess water conditions, while the synthetic aperture radar satellites to be sent into orbit in the third phase will be able to provide all-weather, high-definition monitoring.

Yang said that when the network is completed, it will cover the entire area between the 30th north and south parallels, and could offer “seamless monitoring and receiving system” of tropical regions.

“This is will cover most of the Maritime Silk Road area,” he said when the programme was launched in December.

The oil and resource-rich waters of the South China Sea are claimed by China, the Philippines, Brunei, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan.

Tensions have risen in the area with China’s construction of artificial islands equipped with military facilities, and the deployment of military vessels by other claimants and the United States.
 

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/us-b52s-china-tensions/index.html
 

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/american-warship-sails-near-spratly-islands-challenging-china-1538290867
 

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chinese-warship-45-yards-uss-decatur-south-china/story?id=58210760
 

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