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At present it looks unlikely if the Army will need a Challenger 2 replacement for the foreseeable
future. I got into hot water for suggesting that when and if we ever did, we should take a leaf out of the Australian or Canadian book and buy off the shelf.

What options are out there? What would people here like to see in an ideal world?
 

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Very difficult to speculate because politics and economics will overwhelm any major defense budget decision for the foreseeable future. Also, IMHO the two main trends in armored vehicle modernization will be to keep the "outer shell" so to speak and modernize electronics, fire control and defensive systems (this will be a very active segment in the market)

Secondly, I believe China will be the driver of military technology. What I mean by that is the west will look to what the Chinese are doing (J-20 for example) and determine how their systems stack up and will not modernize until they see the need to counter a Chinese threat.

The problem with that is that is not the best way to plan as we see in the J-20 example that surprised everyone by flying years ahead of schedule. Playing catch-up is very very hard in the defense technology sector.
 

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Thank you for these helpful and informative responses. I had not quite grasped how far away a
Challenger 2 replacement will be .

In the absence of a clear military threat using state of the art Main Battle tanks and given our current industrial setup, the only two Western countries with the necessary experience and reasons for developing a new MBT would seem to be the US and Israel. Japan fields a small number of MBTs, but these are mainly derived from Western models with major Japanese alterations.
 

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its been brought up again
there were various news reports this week about it

but IRC
some outlets have stated that politicians are even considering removing MBTs all together and focus on mobility and strike over armor
 

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With France, Germany, Poland, and Sweden all being well placed industrially and economically to provide tank forces to deal with a resurgent Russian threat this British taxpayer can think of better uses for my money than maintaining heavy armored forces.
A sensible solution would be to maintain a training cadre with NATO standard equipment that could be the basis of a regenerated 1 Armoured Division if the international situation warranted (a successor to Putin who achieves Third Reich levels of rearmament is the only one I can think of off the cuff).
 

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Apparently there is to be a Challenger 3, I expected a rebuild of current vehicles and still no confirmation this is not the case. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-57025266. Either way the inclusion of dedicated recce/cavalry roles would seem to suggest a more balanced redefinition of roles within motorised and mobile units. What's left of my old regiment is apparently being re roled in this manner, losing it's Challenger 2s. Technically this will be difficult but doable, more training facilities at the armoured training centre with more specialised training regimes available. This will cost more money though but you have to spend to save I suppose.
 

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It's good that the U.K. will be retaining a tank force of some form and that this upgrade program will create jobs, what's unfortunate is that since it's just an upgrade of existing hulls there is no chance of any sort of export orders for Challenger 3.
 

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It's good that the U.K. will be retaining a tank force of some form and that this upgrade program will create jobs, what's unfortunate is that since it's just an upgrade of existing hulls there is no chance of any sort of export orders for Challenger 3.
Someone might pick up the retired hulls, and upgrade them, maybe Jordan would take them.
 

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