Boeing's New F-15EX

[Bhurki]

As I’ve posted before and will post again we’d have between 400-500 F-22s by now..........

"But then we wouldn't have B-21 by next year" - Gates

 

[trose213]

30-40 million a bird.

Holmes:

View: https://youtu.be/7du-vfIWl2A?t=2814


auto-transcript (slightly cleaned up):

The f-15c is a prime example of that the airplane has structural problems that will require replacement
of major structural members the launcher on that run lengthwise in the airplane followed by the wings being replaced and
then followed by bulkheads on the center fuselage which means it'd be better to buy a new airplane than to try to work
through those repairs that's important walk through we originally budgeted approximately a million per plane after
the knowledge that came through long structural what does that take the number up to well so the the the exact
number will depend on the time that you. go after but that million per plane was based on fuselage longerons and as
you add the wings and the fuselage into it the initial estimates we dealt with we're in the tens of millions per
airplane I think as we work with the prime contractor now you can get that number probably down around 10 million
or so per airplane but that's in a estimation you don't really know until you open the airplanes up

F-22 Restart Study:

View attachment 639315

That's just for the fuselage.

 

[marauder2048]

30-40 million a bird.

Holmes:

View: https://youtu.be/7du-vfIWl2A?t=2814


auto-transcript (slightly cleaned up):

The f-15c is a prime example of that the airplane has structural problems that will require replacement
of major structural members the launcher on that run lengthwise in the airplane followed by the wings being replaced and
then followed by bulkheads on the center fuselage which means it'd be better to buy a new airplane than to try to work
through those repairs that's important walk through we originally budgeted approximately a million per plane after
the knowledge that came through long structural what does that take the number up to well so the the the exact
number will depend on the time that you. go after but that million per plane was based on fuselage longerons and as
you add the wings and the fuselage into it the initial estimates we dealt with we're in the tens of millions per
airplane I think as we work with the prime contractor now you can get that number probably down around 10 million
or so per airplane but that's in a estimation you don't really know until you open the airplanes up

F-22 Restart Study:

View attachment 639315

That's just for the fuselage.

He says wings and fuselage. And per the FY19 budget, that R&D included the new wing.

 

[marauder2048]

This is awkward.

About the F-15EX replacing the F-15C on a 1:1 basis....

Air Force announces Guard locations for F-35A, F-15EX

The Air Force plans to replace the Air National Guard’s aging F-15C Eagles in Florida and Oregon with the service’s newest air superiority aircraft.
Jacksonville Air National Guard Base, Florida, will begin receiving F-35 Lightning IIs in 2024;

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Dis...e-announces-guard-locations-for-f-35a-f-15ex/

 

[bobbymike]

AFMC: Air Force Not Bound to 144 F-15EXs - Air Force Magazine

AFMC said USAF doesn’t have to buy all 144 F-15EXs covered by last month's major contract award and can end the program simply by not ordering any others.

www.airforcemag.com

 

[Grey Havoc]

I rather wonder about that...

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306213115315597312

View: https://twitter.com/GEAviation/status/1306213115315597312

GE Aviation delivers first F110 engines to power USAF’s F-15EX | GE Aviation

www.geaviation.com

 

[Helix88]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306213115315597312

View: https://twitter.com/GEAviation/status/1306213115315597312

GE Aviation delivers first F110 engines to power USAF’s F-15EX | GE Aviation

www.geaviation.com

It’s nice to see the eagle finally have some turkey feathers, neat.

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1311695837085544448

View: https://twitter.com/BreakingDefense/status/1311695837085544448

 

[TomcatViP]

A must read. Complete much of the debates we had here and elsewhere around having EX or not.

Joining Up on the F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

The Air Force prepares to welcome the first new F-15s since 2004.

www.airforcemag.com

 

[Bhurki]

Joining Up on the F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

The Air Force prepares to welcome the first new F-15s since 2004.

www.airforcemag.com

It can carry 7 x 2000 pounders. ?!?
Is that a typo for 1000 lbs?.

 

[isayyo2]

Four bombs on the CFT’s, one centerline, and one on each wing. No way it’s practical. Maybe with a cold day, 10,000ft strip and a tanker overhead.

 

[kitnut617]

According to Boeing's website on the F-15, maximum 'weapons' payload is 29,500 lb. Seven 2000lbers is only 14,000 lb

 

[Josh_TN]

Not practical but definitely within the MTOW by a wide margin. Echos in the sand box have been filmed dripping with a Swiss Army knife of ordnance.

 

[helmutkohl]

Can the EX win in India?
if so, we can finally get some Flanker vs Eagle mock battles!

Boeing gets U.S. approval to offer F-15EX to India

Boeing has received a licence from the U.S. government to offer its F-15EX fighter jet to the Indian air force, a senior executive said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Bhurki]

Can the EX win in India?

Its just a formality, in the process of declaring EX and its modules exportable without specific country based adjustments.
Similar things happen whenever a new fighter type is to be declared FMS compliant, like the viper 60 etc.

 

[bobbymike]

Boeing F-15EX Makes First Flight - Air Force Magazine

Boeing flew the first F-15EX Eagle on a 90-minute hop around St. Louis, Mo., Jan. 2, signaling that the jet will soon be ready for flight testing.

www.airforcemag.com

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Good Day All -

I was there yesterday - first day out of quarantine and Boeing flew a bunch of aircraft for me F-15QA 006 and 008 flew, 008 for the first time and without CFTs and later a Kuwaiti F/A-18E went up as well. Catbird flew off to Palmdale and EX flew early afternoon. Felt great to be out of the house, in the sun and listening, and feeling!, jet engines!

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[Anduriel]

Question: why does 15EX use GE-129 engines with thrust of 13.1 tons instead of more powerful GE-132 egines that have 14.5 tons?
F-15EX has CFTs by default and new quadruple racks are also more draggy compared to dual missile pylons?

 

[TomcatViP]

Although a formidable airframe, the EX is not there to bring anything in the kinetics performances of the already formidable Eagle family. The goal are cost/performances and reliability. Hence, IMOHO, no new engines.

 

[Sundog]

Question: why does 15EX use GE-129 engines with thrust of 13.1 tons instead of more powerful GE-132 egines that have 14.5 tons?
F-15EX has CFTs by default and new quadruple racks are also more draggy compared to dual missile pylons?

It's most likely due to the mass flow requirement of the GE-132 to generate that amount of thrust. They would have to redesign the inlets for the higher mass flow rate, which would require a massive redesign of the airframe.

 

[Sundog]

Good Day All -

I was there yesterday - first day out of quarantine and Boeing flew a bunch of aircraft for me F-15QA 006 and 008 flew, 008 for the first time and without CFTs and later a Kuwaiti F/A-18E went up as well. Catbird flew off to Palmdale and EX flew early afternoon. Felt great to be out of the house, in the sun and listening, and feeling!, jet engines!

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Hi Mark, do you have any idea what program the Catbird is flying in support of right now?
Ken

 

[fightingirish]

Video:

View: https://youtu.be/kJEQse4Aq4Q

Boeing F-15EX First Flight
Welcome to the skies, F-15EX! Get an EX-cellent view of the #F15EX as it completes its first flight. The fighter aircraft is built on a digital thread, allowing the U.S. Air Force to add future tech and upgrade capabilities. [...]

Source:

https://youtu.be/kJEQse4Aq4Q

Without background music:

View: https://youtu.be/RkD94RL4h5k

https://youtu.be/RkD94RL4h5k

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Good Day All -

I was there yesterday - first day out of quarantine and Boeing flew a bunch of aircraft for me F-15QA 006 and 008 flew, 008 for the first time and without CFTs and later a Kuwaiti F/A-18E went up as well. Catbird flew off to Palmdale and EX flew early afternoon. Felt great to be out of the house, in the sun and listening, and feeling!, jet engines!

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Hi Mark, do you have any idea what program the Catbird is flying in support of right now?
Ken

Hi Ken -

No idea - they are rather mum about its movements and work effort. I was rather surprised it ended up residing here in St. Louis - seems to be in Palmdale or at Edwards a lot. Here, it is under a "temporary" canopy rather than in a proper hangar. One of these days there will be a hail or wind storm and all bets off....

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[elmayerle]

Question: why does 15EX use GE-129 engines with thrust of 13.1 tons instead of more powerful GE-132 egines that have 14.5 tons?
F-15EX has CFTs by default and new quadruple racks are also more draggy compared to dual missile pylons?

I suspect that the GE-132 engines were developed specifically for the F-16E/F for UAE and development was paid for by UAE, so any use elsewhere would require a royalty be paid to UAE. IIRC, F-16E/F was a strictly commercial sale with minimal US government involvement.

 

[TomcatViP]

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

 

[Grey Havoc]

Trying to drive down prices on actual planned procurements? Or genuine interest?

 

[TomcatViP]

@Grey Havoc : To my knowledge, the EX is significantly lower priced that the Rafale (outside of any free airframe tricks).
Hence if the goal was to negociate a bargain, IN MoD would have reverted or at least altered the balance b/w Rafale and F-15X (resp. 36 and 8).

 

[isayyo2]

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

Indonesia's diversity will soon eclipse India's procurement
F-16A/B Block 15 upgrade
F-16C/D Block 25 upgrade
Su-27
Su-30
Hawk 200
T-50
Super Tucano
AH-64E
~potential acquisitions~
Su-35
Rafale
Ex-Austrian Eurofighters
V-22
F-15EX

The palm oil business must be doing very well?

 

[GTX]

More like a combination of "I'll buy said platform and then have it operational for 2 - 4yrs under a warranty period before it ends up grounded through lack of maintenance support/spares" + "this is some good political chest beating".

To the former, I know they have been having trouble keeping even their T-50s, Hawks and Super Tucanos in the air in recent years.

 

[Maro.Kyo]

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

Indonesia's diversity will soon eclipse India's procurement
F-16A/B Block 15 upgrade
F-16C/D Block 25 upgrade
Su-27
Su-30
Hawk 200
T-50
Super Tucano
AH-64E
~potential acquisitions~
Su-35
Rafale
Ex-Austrian Eurofighters
V-22
F-15EX

The palm oil business must be doing very well?

AFAIK the F-15EX they are planning to buy are using the carry-over budget which was originally allocated for the procurement of Su-35s from 2018, hence the small number of only 8 jets.

Austrian Typhoons were also one of the options they looked into for this replacement but soon fell through because of parliamentary opposition.

I really doubt that they could afford V-22s, which costed Japan a total program cost of $ 3 billion for 17 Ospreys. I've heard that the flyaway cost of these birds are way cheaper than that which should mean that the supporting infrastructure for the tilt-rotor structure is surely very expensive and also it just costs more when sold over seas in general.

So it should just be

F-16A/B Block 15 upgrade
F-16C/D Block 25 upgrade
Su-27
Su-30
Hawk 200
T-50i upgrade (upgrading to FA-50 equivalent)
Super Tucano
AH-64E

~potential acquisitions~
Rafale
F-15EX


I've also heard that they are planning to replace Hawks soon with something else but I'm not so sure if that's correct.

Should admit that its still a very wide range of aircraft they are using and going to use.

 

[stealthflanker]

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

AFAIK the F-15EX they are planning to buy are using the carry-over budget which was originally allocated for the procurement of Su-35s from 2018, hence the small number of only 8 jets.

Austrian Typhoons were also one of the options they looked into for this replacement but soon fell through because of parliamentary opposition.

I really doubt that they could afford V-22s, which costed Japan a total program cost of $ 3 billion for 17 Ospreys. I've heard that the flyaway cost of these birds are way cheaper than that which should mean that the supporting infrastructure for the tilt-rotor structure is surely very expensive and also it just costs more when sold over seas in general.

So it should just be

F-16A/B Block 15 upgrade
F-16C/D Block 25 upgrade
Su-27
Su-30
Hawk 200
T-50i upgrade (upgrading to FA-50 equivalent)
Super Tucano
AH-64E

~potential acquisitions~
Rafale
F-15EX


I've also heard that they are planning to replace Hawks soon with something else but I'm not so sure if that's correct.

Should admit that its still a very wide range of aircraft they are using and going to use.

The KFX is the projected replacement for Hawks.

Relying on media or even our own officials are not really a good indicator on what being bought like what happened with Su-35 which contract they never cancel but never made effective either, same as Kilo class submarine which contracted but never made effective but they choose to screwing around trying to find used Kilo class which obviously not in good condition, while Russian actually offered new 636's back then with state credit.

Considering our arms procurement are mostly loan financed by rule. The only good indicator would be the release of Ministry of Finance's "Green Book". This contain all the approved and financed deal. The Airforce officials or medias are mostly talks about Yellow or Blue book. Those are the plans where one can find the wishlists of the many.

Hawk and Flankers however are about to undergo some life extension so they'll have more life ahead of them.

 

[helmutkohl]

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX - Air Force Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

AFAIK the F-15EX they are planning to buy are using the carry-over budget which was originally allocated for the procurement of Su-35s from 2018, hence the small number of only 8 jets.

Austrian Typhoons were also one of the options they looked into for this replacement but soon fell through because of parliamentary opposition.

I really doubt that they could afford V-22s, which costed Japan a total program cost of $ 3 billion for 17 Ospreys. I've heard that the flyaway cost of these birds are way cheaper than that which should mean that the supporting infrastructure for the tilt-rotor structure is surely very expensive and also it just costs more when sold over seas in general.

So it should just be

F-16A/B Block 15 upgrade
F-16C/D Block 25 upgrade
Su-27
Su-30
Hawk 200
T-50i upgrade (upgrading to FA-50 equivalent)
Super Tucano
AH-64E

~potential acquisitions~
Rafale
F-15EX


I've also heard that they are planning to replace Hawks soon with something else but I'm not so sure if that's correct.

Should admit that its still a very wide range of aircraft they are using and going to use.

The KFX is the projected replacement for Hawks.

Relying on media or even our own officials are not really a good indicator on what being bought like what happened with Su-35 which contract they never cancel but never made effective either, same as Kilo class submarine which contracted but never made effective but they choose to screwing around trying to find used Kilo class which obviously not in good condition, while Russian actually offered new 636's back then with state credit.

Considering our arms procurement are mostly loan financed by rule. The only good indicator would be the release of Ministry of Finance's "Green Book". This contain all the approved and financed deal. The Airforce officials or medias are mostly talks about Yellow or Blue book. Those are the plans where one can find the wishlists of the many.

Hawk and Flankers however are about to undergo some life extension so they'll have more life ahead of them.

so what do you think the Indonesian AF should standardize around by 2030-2040?
do they have access to spares and other weapons for their Flankers given the current environment?

to me it should ideally be
Golden Eagle, F-16, F-15 or Rafale
then later Golden Eagle, KFX, F-15 or Rafale

 

[helmutkohl]

Air Force plans to buy used F-15s, Dassault Rafale - ANTARA News

The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) is planning to buy sophisticated 4.5 generation fighter jets, including France-made Dassault Rafale and used US-made F-15s, ...

en.antaranews.com

now they are saying they want used F-15s

 

[isayyo2]

Air Force plans to buy used F-15s, Dassault Rafale - ANTARA News

The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) is planning to buy sophisticated 4.5 generation fighter jets, including France-made Dassault Rafale and used US-made F-15s, ...

en.antaranews.com

now they are saying they want used F-15s

I'm assuming they'll be the Saudi F-15C/Ds; personally I think that's the smartest choice they could make. Multi role capabilities are inherent to the airframe, and unlike the USAF the Saudi Eagles shouldn't be beat to hell either.
Now all we need is for Malaysia to snatch up those Kuwaiti Hornets...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/821202414195904512

 

[helmutkohl]

a nice whatif.
although would prefer if it uses Indonesias scheme for the F-15s or Flanker

 

[Maro.Kyo]

Air Force plans to buy used F-15s, Dassault Rafale - ANTARA News

The Indonesian Air Force (TNI AU) is planning to buy sophisticated 4.5 generation fighter jets, including France-made Dassault Rafale and used US-made F-15s, ...

en.antaranews.com

now they are saying they want used F-15s

I've heard that its probably just a misinterpretation of the announcement. So Indonesia probably still the first foreign F-15EX customer.

 

[GTX]

So Indonesia probably still the first foreign F-15EX customer.

Probably not...

 

[Maro.Kyo]

So Indonesia probably still the first foreign F-15EX customer.

Probably not...

In case not, who do you think it would be?

 

[fightingirish]

The First F-15EX Fighter Jet Has Now Flown In Its Air Force Colors

The aircraft is slated to be one of the first two F-15EXs to be handed over to the Air Force for test work in the coming months.

www.thedrive.com