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The USAF has no interest in an escort jammer. They are focusing on off board systems, for better or worse.

They are already using the F-15s as.


Wait. I thought from all these forums and readings into the 35 said the 35 relies on passive sensors like EO and thermal and embedded antenna and didn't need EW support.
 

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The USAF has no interest in an escort jammer. They are focusing on off board systems, for better or worse.

They are already using the F-15s as.


As a test, but yes that is as far as I think they will get to an EF-15. There’s no way they are suddenly investing money in a capacity they’ve had no interest in since the spark bark.

Pretty sure it depends on the funding. A F-15EX equipped with a powerful jammer and LREWs in the rear isn't something the USAF isn't going to say no to. The F-15EXs' use case is providing standoff capacity to whatever's too big for attritable drones.

The USAF has no interest in an escort jammer. They are focusing on off board systems, for better or worse.

They are already using the F-15s as.


Wait. I thought from all these forums and readings into the 35 said the 35 relies on passive sensors like EO and thermal and embedded antenna and didn't need EW support.

Pretty sure it's the cost benefit tradeoff of compromising the stealth. The F-35 has an extremely potent EW system already and is likely to get a form of the EPAWSS in. The F-15EX really shines over the drones in that it has potentially a lot more power.
 

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Was it ever published what's the loadout limit on those outer wing stations?
In the images one can see loadouts with twin amraams or single Harm missile. So I guess the overall allowance with the pylon must be at least 900 or so pounds. But are there indications even heavier loads could be used there?
 

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with news like this, in addition to the F-22 retirement.. it seems like 5th generation aircraft might be one of the most skipped over generation, and/or the shortest service life? 3rd and 4th gen are still flying
What's that thing attached to the eagle under the canopy?
 

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with news like this, in addition to the F-22 retirement.. it seems like 5th generation aircraft might be one of the most skipped over generation, and/or the shortest service life? 3rd and 4th gen are still flying
Considering the 'action' they saw during their timeframe(1990-2020) as compared to previous generations(1950-1990), it is only obvious.
 

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with news like this, in addition to the F-22 retirement.. it seems like 5th generation aircraft might be one of the most skipped over generation, and/or the shortest service life? 3rd and 4th gen are still flying

F-35s are very prolific, with six hundred built and a hal dozen nations already taking delivery before full rate. I suspect they will see a lot of service for a very long time. F-22 on the other hand is a dead end for reasons covered in that thread.
 

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Some good results from Northern Edge


The F-15EX has “full air-to-ground capabilities,” but those were not exercised in the wargame, he said. “The EX’s primary goal was to go up there and execute the current C-model mission.” It performed air dominance as well as homeland defense missions, he said.
Perhaps expanding the future ANG missions, or a back-door pilot to replace/modernize the existing E fleet?
The article Made It sound a bit like they used the Eagle's EW system to act as an improvised growler for the F35s.
I wander if they could use some F15s to carry powerful jammers and not depend on the growlers anymore.
One of the concepts for the FAST packs that became the CFTs used on the F-15 was to put EW equipment in them. It seems like an EF-15 isn't beyond the realm of possibility although I fear the Air Force would rather just continue to "borrow" Navy assets to do the job.

Short of a new design (think F-111 replacement) I think an F-15 variant would be the best option the USAF has for that role.
I kinda agree, although FAST pack wouldn't be enough I feel. EF-111 had a massive underbody compartment for the EW equipment + the tail mounted EW compartment. It would rather be something like 2 high-mid band equipment in the FAST pack and (possibly) NGJ low band on the centerline.
 

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with news like this, in addition to the F-22 retirement.. it seems like 5th generation aircraft might be one of the most skipped over generation, and/or the shortest service life? 3rd and 4th gen are still flying
What's that thing attached to the eagle under the canopy?
If you mean that thing next to the canopy, it's the mounting for the MAWS (AN/AAR-57A(V) CMWS). SA Ealges have an actual AAR-57 mounted on that spot, as well as for QA iirc. Since the UV wavelength is very short, its primary purpose is to detect possible MANPADS launch near the airstrip. That obviously doesn't mean it wouldn't be used in ACM or BVR engagement tho.
 

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What's that thing attached to the eagle under the canopy?
Part of EPAWSS apparently
Sevreral other countries have them as well. Singapore for example:

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The SG aircraft as well as the ANG F-15EX doesn't have the MAWS, so its a dummy mounting. I wouldn't be surprised tho, if that compartment later could be used for an actual equipment mounting point.
Why go through the expense of mounting a dummy?
 

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What's that thing attached to the eagle under the canopy?
Part of EPAWSS apparently
Sevreral other countries have them as well. Singapore for example:

View attachment 658352
The SG aircraft as well as the ANG F-15EX doesn't have the MAWS, so its a dummy mounting. I wouldn't be surprised tho, if that compartment later could be used for an actual equipment mounting point.
Why go through the expense of mounting a dummy?
I'm not exactly sure and can't think much valid reason, if any, to why they've placed a dummy mount tbh.
 

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Why go through the expense of mounting a dummy?

Just a WAG, but maybe it's presence has some deleterious aerodynamic effect, which the FCAS compensates for, and it's quicker/cheaper/easier to fit a dummy fairing, rather than reprogram the FCAS to handle it's absence . . .

cheers,
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Why go through the expense of mounting a dummy?

Just a WAG, but maybe it's presence has some deleterious aerodynamic effect, which the FCAS compensates for, and it's quicker/cheaper/easier to fit a dummy fairing, rather than reprogram the FCAS to handle it's absence . . .

cheers,
Robin.

That is most likely the case for the Advanced Eagle family with FBW controls, that is F-15SA, F-15QA and F-15EX. It has only been certified with the blisters so the blisters stay on regardless if you install a MAWS sensor or not.

This is not the case for the F-15SG, which is why I think the RSAF Eagles fly whithout MAWS for regular ops but have them in storage, or they are fitted for but not with.
 

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Was it ever published what's the loadout limit on those outer wing stations?
In the images one can see loadouts with twin amraams or single Harm missile. So I guess the overall allowance with the pylon must be at least 900 or so pounds. But are there indications even heavier loads could be used there?

I thought it was just enough to allow carriage of a HARM missile or the proposed ECM pod. So that would be in the 1000 lbs region for a HARM with pylon and launcher.
Recently I have been browsing through Dennis Jenkins' McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle: Supreme Heavy-Weight Fighter where he states the stations are rated for 1300 lbs.

That raises two questions for me:
1. Did Boeing by any chance increase the rating for those stations, considering they redesigned the wing? My guess is no, but who knows, maybe a customer paid for it.
2. Is 1300 lbs enough to carry the new AARGM-ER? Again, my guess is no, even considering this missile is ejector launched so doesn't require a launch rail. But I guess AARGM-ER plus plyon is more than 1300 lbs.
 

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