Boeing Vertol/Grumman BV-222 tilt-rotor projects

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today while flicking through magazines at a bookshop near my local train station, I saw a picture of the Boeing Model 222 tilt rotor aircraft featured in an article about the "X-series Aircrafts (Part 19): AD-1 and XV-15" published in the German magazine "Fliegerrevue" Issue 02/08.
At home I found the same picture in a NASA document about the XV-15.
Boeing provided a proposal based on the new Model 222. This design used the
Boeing-developed 26-foot diameter soft-in-plane hingeless proprotor on nacelles
that tilted only the proprotors. The engines of the 222 were mounted in fixed
horizontal wing-tip nacelles. To minimize research aircraft development costs,
the Boeing 222 was to use the fuselage, landing gear, and empennage of the
Mitsubishi Mu-2J twin turboprop executive transport aircraft. The 222 wing
incorporated leading edge “umbrella” flaps and large deflection trailing edge
flaps to reduce download. An artist’s illustration of the Boeing 222 in flight is
shown in figure 35.

Figure 35: Illustration of the Boeing Model 222 tilt rotor aircraft.
(Boeing-Ames Photograph AC86-0140-1)
Source (PDF): http://history.nasa.gov/monograph17.pdf (31.01.2008)

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Hi,

a strange tilt-rotor aircraft.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19860022115_1986022115.pdf
 

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Without Reading through the report, I am pretty sure that the tiltwing proposal that is shown is based upon a Mitsubishi Mu-2 fuselage.

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The Boeing-Vertol BV-222 stowed rotor concepts.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730021277_1973021277.pdf
 

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The top one looks like...well I've said it an awful lot in VSTOL topics....
 

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The top one looks like...well I've said it an awful lot in VSTOL topics....

Hesham missed this one from page 56 of the linked PDF.........

and..... the model number is frustratingly illegible, think it's 222, but........

cheers,
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Yeah, for some reason they sure thought that Mu-2 fuselage was pretty neat for VTOL applications, maybe even moreso than for being a fixed-wing aircraft!
 

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Just call me Ray said:
The top one looks like...well I've said it an awful lot in VSTOL topics....

Mystery solved..........
From page 36 of 'Monograph 17- The History of the XV-15 Tilt-Rotor Research Aircraft from Concept to Flight', available at :-

http://history.nasa.gov/monograph17.pdf

"Boeing provided a proposal based on the new Model 222. This design used the
Boeing-developed 26-foot diameter soft-in-plane hingeless proprotor on nacelles
that tilted only the proprotors. The engines of the 222 were mounted in fixed
horizontal wing-tip nacelles. To minimize research aircraft development costs,
the Boeing 222 was to use the fuselage, landing gear, and empennage of the
Mitsubishi Mu-2J twin turboprop executive transport aircraft. The 222 wing
incorporated leading edge “umbrella” flaps and large deflection trailing edge
flaps to reduce download. An artist’s illustration of the Boeing 222 in flight is
shown in figure 35."

cheers,
Robin.
 

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Don't know if these have been shown here before next to each other... Two artist's views of the proposed Boeing 222 reflecting a design change between the initial MU-2 fuselage and a much more streamlined cockpit (second image initially posted by Jemiba).
 

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The top picture shows a rather revised windshield and canopy while the bottom pic looks to have a standard MU-2 canopy. Granted, the MU-2 fuselage is a good choice for such a conversion since the wing mates to the top of the fuselage with four bolts and there are no hydraulic connections to worry about (MU-2 didn't use hydraulics).
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Don't know if these have been shown here before next to each other... Two artist's views of the proposed Boeing 222 reflecting a design change between the initial MU-2 fuselage and a much more streamlined cockpit.

Apologies if this was mentioned earlier, but a modified MU-2 was Boeing's submission to NASA for a Tilt Rotor demonstrator that was eventually won by the Bell Model 301 which became the XV-15
 

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Well, it was mentioned "way back when" in the Aerophile cover aticle on the XV-15; though that came out years ago.
 

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Hi,

also anther design to Boeing-Vertol as tilt-rotor projects,and also
they called it D238,I am suspicious in this impression,and also they
said it was developed from Model-222.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770010060_1977010060.pdf
 

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I'm wary of the fact that it is called "D238", because this usually indicates a Bell project... Yet this CAN'T be a Bell because Bell D238 was a projected derivative of HSL-1 tandem rotor helo.
 

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D238 is not a project designation. The model is dynamically scaled from the Model 222, i.e. its a scale model of the 222 with minor adjustments to cater for the smaller size.
 

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Thank you my dears Overscan and Stargazer for your explanations.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,

also anther design to Boeing-Vertol as tilt-rotor projects,and also
they called it D238,I am suspicious in this impression,and also they
said it was developed from Model-222.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770010060_1977010060.pdf

This design looks more like Boeing's entry in the XV-15 competition than like anything else. I notice they're using the long MU-2 fuselage for this design, Given that there are no hydraulics involved on the MU-2 and that the wing/fuselage interface is simply, that seems like a good approach for a research aircraft. I always thought that a long MU-2 fuselage with a wing and engines design similar to NASA's QSATOL design would make an excellent testbed for this approach in a an executive/light feederliner environment.
 

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This is consistent with the fact that this would be a development from the Boeing 222. Indeed, this was precisely based upon an MU-2 fuselage.
 

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Two three-view plans of the Boeing Vertol Model 222 displaying notably some alternate rotor (four/five blades) and tail (rectangular/angled) changes. I reworked the images to remove some of the scan's warp on the edges.

Source: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730023205_1973023205.pdf
 

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Boeing 222 project drawing from Aerophile Volume 2, Number 2.

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http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.58730
 

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I just noticed the curious leading edge arrangement in hover, with both upper and lower elements opening up. Does the AIAA paper clarify what that's for? my guess is reducing download, but maybe there is also an element of hover control.


[edit] The report on DTIC shows something called a "geared flap" and it's some sort of pitch control mechanism in transition and hover.


"The Geared Flap control system* provides a means for controlling
a tiltwing V/STOL aircraft in hover and transition flight without
the use of auxiliary systems such as cyclic propeller pitch
or tail jets/rotors. The system is based on using the flap as
an aerodynamic servo to position the wing relative to the fuselage."


However, that seems to be a trailing edge device, separate from whatever they're doing with that split LE.
 

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My dear AeroFranz,


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AeroFranz said:
I just noticed the curious leading edge arrangement in hover, with both upper and lower elements opening up. Does the AIAA paper clarify what that's for? my guess is reducing download, but maybe there is also an element of hover control.


[edit] The report on DTIC shows something called a "geared flap" and it's some sort of pitch control mechanism in transition and hover.


"The Geared Flap control system* provides a means for controlling
a tiltwing V/STOL aircraft in hover and transition flight without
the use of auxiliary systems such as cyclic propeller pitch
or tail jets/rotors. The system is based on using the flap as
an aerodynamic servo to position the wing relative to the fuselage."


However, that seems to be a trailing edge device, separate from whatever they're doing with that split LE.

The Boeing Vertol 222 tilt-rotor wing mechanisms were to reduce the download on the wing. It's a relatively minor problem with a tilt rotor because the "proprotor" is big relative to the chord of the wing and it's mounted at the wing tip. Make the proprotor more the size of a propeller and you have to get the wing completely out of the way, i.e. tilt it. (You also have to move the propellers inboard because the conversion corridor depends on the prop wash to keep the wing from stalling.) Note that you don't want the wing of a tilt rotor to tilt because the "rotor wash" isn't enough to keep the wing from stalling when it is partially tilted, particularly in a descent when the power is reduced. I didn't look at the DTIC report you're referring to, but it states tilt wing and the purpose of the geared flap control system is to tilt the propeller, via the wing, for pitch control. Two different critters.
 

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I must 've gotten my wires crossed...
i was actually reading the thread on the Boeing 147 tilt-wing here


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1756.0.html


and found the link to the DTIC report that describes the geared flap. I should quit drinking spiked eggnog...
 

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