Blackburn Buccaneer Competing Aircraft

[ChuckAnderson]

Hi Everyone!

Presented here is a three-view line drawing (I have little else information) on the Hawker P.1108, one of the aircraft that competed with the ultimate winner of the contract, Blackburn.

The only information given besides the three-view, is the following:
"Two-seat Naval Strike aircraft to Spec. M.148T. Four small Rolls-Royce turbojets. Blackburn Buccaneer was successful tender to this Specification."

(If anyone has any tech data and other information on the Hawker P.1108, could they please post it on this website?)

My source is:
Hawker Aircraft Since 1920
p. 645
Author: Francis K. Mason
Original Publishers: Putnam Aeronautical Books (1991, Great Britain)
Current Publishers: Naval Institute Press (1991, Annapolis, MD, USA)Copyright: Francis K. Mason (1961, 1971 and 1991)

My apologies if this has already been brought up previously!


Chuck

 

[ChuckAnderson]

Hi Everyone!

I can't seem to get my three-view to post on the site. I'll keep trying!

Chuck

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Its probably too large. Try resizing it smaller or send it to me.

 

[Jemiba]

In the moment no more information, but it is mentioned in Tim Lamings
"Buccaneer" book, I'll look for it this evening

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Original Hawker 3 view painting with dimensions is in Maurice Allward's Modern Combat Aircraft 7: Buccaneer.

 

[ChuckAnderson]

In the moment no more information, but it is mentioned in Tim Lamings
"Buccaneer" book, I'll look for it this evening

Hi Jemiba!

Thanks for posting the illustration! That's FAR BETTER than the one I was going to send anyway, and the most important thing is that this information gets to the website for everyone to see!

Chuck

 

[Jemiba]

The power plant is given both by Tim Laming and Tony Buttler as four RB.115 engines.
The dimensions are hopefully readable on the cutout of Lamings 3-view.

 

[Akaikaze]

:-\
Sigh...As much as I like Hawker, this is a case were the right choice was made. Had it been built for a fly-off, Blackburn would have eaten it alive.
(4 engines? Why....?)

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

Didn't the Royal Navy specify two engines for this requirement? I seem to recall reading in BSP that Hawker's design submission wasn't exactly a serious go at meeting the requirement, hence the four engines.

 

[smurf]

I think there was an Air Enthusiast article, called 'Pirates for the RN' or some such, but I may not have kept it. sometime mid 90's??

 

[lark]

'Choosing a Pirate for the Navy' - part I and II

By Tony Buttler.

(9 pages of absorbing reading)

Air Pictorial . March & April 1997.

 

[Jemiba]

"Didn't the Royal Navy specify two engines "

Yes, that's what told by Tim Laming in "Buccaneer"about Specification M.148T.

 

[Mike Pryce]

Re the Laming book, on the Thunder and Lightning website it now says:

"Buccaneer - The Last British Bomber by Tim Laming. Recent revelations mean we can no longer advise purchase of this volume."

What is that about? I thought it was a pretty good book.

 

[Petrus]

The power plant is given both by Tim Laming and Tony Buttler as four RB.115 engines.
The dimensions are hopefully readable on the cutout of Lamings 3-view.

Do you have any idea what thrust the RB.115 would have had? I couldn't find the info, unfortunately.

Piotr

 

[Hammer Birchgrove]

Interesting.

 

[hesham]

From my dear Rolf,


and Keypublishing Ltd.; 100 years of British Flight,here is the Armstrong-Withworth AW.168,which
intended to compete Blackburn B.103 Buccaneer.

 

[Pioneer]

Mock-up of the Armstrong-Withworth AW.168
Would love to see more pics if anyone has them

Regards
Pioneer