Bergdahl release video: Blackhawk

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Interesting looking nose on the Blackhawk seen in the Bowe Bergdahl release video. I was expecting an MH/HH-60 (well - second to hoping they turned up in an Shhhhhh-60) with refuelling probe but this doesn't have one. I assume the lower part is a ball turret but I haven't seen quite this arrangement before (admittedly don't often look at helicopters). Pity the Taliban don't do HD... any members have pics of same?

(Hoping to avoid a flood of political comments...)
 

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Yeah, there's lots of extra bits stuck to that one isn't there? I also took a close look at the video, more interested in the helicopter than the handover. But no IFR boom. Can this be removed to get some more hot&high performance?

Sorry, can't help with the extra system specifics - maybe it's a brown out system?
 
In resent time I have noticed, that all the newest S-70 Black Hawks have new engineered turbine exhausts with Infrared suppression.
Pointing upwards as shown at the link: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Sikorsky_S-70_Blackhawk_(Hkp-16A)_161226_01_(8392479143).jpg
 
Apparently the probe is removable in the MH-60L and K versions.
 
AAR probe can be removed. Think the nose of the helicopter has a different type of radar other than the usual weather radar nose. If it is a SOAR helicopter it has a lot more kit on it than what you see on vanilla H-60.
 
TomS said:
Apparently the probe is removable in the MH-60L and K versions.


This appears to be an MH-60M with no probe. SOCOM has been consolidating variants, the 60L, K, etc. are being replaced by the M.
I believe most of the special operations UH-60s have made the probe (and other equipment) optional - which is why they used to be nicknamed "velcro hawks".


You can see some of the consolidation plan here:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012SOFIC/ThursdayTehchnologyApplicationsProgram.pdf
 
Given that they were flying into an obvious trap, I'd bet that this chopper was stripped of anything remotely useful apart from what's needed for fight and flight. Navigation likely provided by other aircraft.
 
Orionblamblam said:
Given that they were flying into an obvious trap, I'd bet that this chopper was stripped of anything remotely useful apart from what's needed for fight and flight. Navigation likely provided by other aircraft.

Probably not because the standard operating procedue to deny technical intelligence on any downed helo is to drop a big guided bomb on it. Also by stripping it of gear you would disable the self protection suite to counter Taliban surface to air missiles making it very vulnerable en route to the handover point. Plus of course it would require a lot of advanced warning and spare man hours to strip the aircraft which they probably didn't have. Finally it was very unlikely to be a trap because they would have gone in with lots of supporting combat power at a moments notice. And as a post script the Taliban wanted their four dudes in Gitmo more than US forces wanted back PFC Bergdahl, they were probably more worried it was going to be a US trap.
 
Why the assumption it would be a trap? It was to the Taliban's advantage to see this exchange take place successfully. Not only did they achieve the release of several of their Freedom Fighter comrades from the belly of the beast but it also meant they were legitimised in their dealings with their Western adversaries in the eyes of their supporters and would be supporters.
 
In the exchange video you can see an aircraft flying over the area. My first impression from those blurry screenshots was that it might be a MC-12. A former SOF member said on CNN that AC-130 Gunships were flying over scene. Of course there was more SOF forces and equipment standing nearby out of visual sight of the enemy. But for these details "we don't have the need to know". ;-)
 
Kadija_Man said:
Orionblamblam said:
Hot Breath said:
Why the assumption it would be a trap?

Always assume contact with the enemy is a trap.

Even under a flag of truce? Such paranoia. You act as if you know it was a trap. Such views tend to be self-fulfilling prophecies. I suspect from the things said by you on your blog, you'd prefer not to see peace break out in Afghanistan.

War is very Darwinian. Having played that game for awhile, you always plan for the worst, hope the plan goes down the way you expect it to and get on with it. I will bet money half of the flying things in Astan were on a wire for the mission. The SOF community does not go into an op without multiple plans and resources in place.

Rule#1 in a tactical op - it won't go as planned.
 
Yup - there's no way one helicopter just pitched up at some grid ref on it's own. That goes without saying. However, the 'body language' of both men and machine on the pick-up helicopter seem fairly low key to me. The guys stood at the doorway could have taken a hard defensive posture - drills out of the aircraft to secure it's perimeter and provided escort to the gentlemen doing the hand over, and the mini-gun could have been pointed in a more non-neutral direction. The other aircraft in the air in the video was the pick-up helicopters wingman. Presumably those guys would have been the immediate aggressive element if required.

I would prefer to be flying a helicopter with all the kit in an environment like that, and no mistake. The enemy wouldn't have time to strip the helicopter before it got bombed especially if they were under fire.

To add, this air team images pic confirms it as an M for me, based on the nose appendages and the more cylindrical EO turret

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"Taliban Video of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl exchange reveals several details about U.S. Army planes and choppers involved in the handover"
Jun 05 2014
By David Cenciotti

The video of the Taliban handing Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl over to the US military in Afghanistan reveals the presence of several assets, including some spooky King Air 300s.

Even if both parties had probably agreed almost every detail of the handover, the video of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl being released by the Taliban shows that the U.S. military took some further measures to ensure that the meeting would not turn into an ambush.

Indeed, the footage shows that some minutes before the first U.S. Army MH-60 (probably belonging to the 160th Special Operations Air Regiment “Night Stalkers”) appeared, at least two King Air 300s (or quite similar U.S. Air Force MC-12Ws) were already circling nearby.

Needless to say, they were not there by accident.

MH-60 Taliban video

U.S. Army King Air 300s, known as MARSS, Medium Altitude Reconnaissance and Surveillance System, perform ELINT (Electronic Intelligence), COMINT (Communication Intelligence), direction finding as well as Full Motion Video broadcasting to patrols on the ground.

These Army planes are particularly important for counter-IED operations during which they fly overwatch sorties along travel routes ahead of ground convoys to detect any suspect insurgent activity or side bomb sign.

MH-60 Taliban video ground

Their role in the handover scene was similar: they were monitoring the rendez-vous point, scanning the gestures of any Taliban in the valley to see if the meeting was actually an ambush to blow up the helicopter, possibly in front of the camera.

Even the U.S. individual who first meets Bergdahl seems to check his body for a suicide vest or something like that.
 

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Triton said:
"Taliban Video of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl exchange reveals several details about U.S. Army planes and choppers involved in the handover"
Jun 05 2014
By David Cenciotti


I heard that the F-35 is replacing the King Air.
- Stealth!
- EODAS!
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- Internal weapons!


With the Block 10b update the F-35B will also be replacing the MH-60M.
 
Well, my original post was answered: Thanks Coanda for the pic, and to various for the replies. So it was a SOAR 60M (didn't realise the Boom was removable).


Think I'll lock this one now though eh?....
 
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