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Hi,

The Amiot-170 was a high performance bomber floatplane project,
it was to be a twin float with two inline Gnome-Rhone 14 N20/21
engines and twin fins and rudders and it had a high wing,maximum
estimated speed was 459 km/h.
 

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Hi,

there was an unknown of macquets to french bomber and twin boom fighter.
 

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Hi,

The Amiot-360 was three engined project version of Amiot-370,
intended for long-distance flights,powered by Hispano-Suiza 12Y
engines.


The source,magazine Air Pictorial.
 

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Hi,

The Amiot-380 was four engined heavy strategic bomber for
the 1938 competition,powered by 1100 hp Gnome-Rhone 18
Lars engines ,estimated top speed 518 km/h.
 

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What's that contraption under the fuselage? A weapons platform?
 

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Hi Firefly,

Please see the new drawing for Amiot-380.
by the way;
Amiot-380 was competed the Berguet Br-482,SNCAO-700 and Bloch MB-162
in four engined heavy strategic bomber competition.

The Amiot-381 was developed from type-380,and powered by
four 940 hp HS 14 As engines and Amiot-382 was powered by
four 835 hp HS Y20/21 engines,the estimated top speed to
380 was 482 km/h and for 382 492 km/h.
 

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"What's that contraption under the fuselage?"
It was a retractable gun position, generally called "dustbin", as could be
found in quite a number of ohter bombers of that period, too, not only
french ones, but also german, like the Ju 86, He 111 and even the bomber
versoin s of the good old Ju 52 .
 

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Hi,

Anther little known aircraft and projects:

The Amiot-530 was four engined passenger transport project,
developed from Amiot-380.

Amiot 410 :four engined project,but I don't know it was bomber
or transport,and it was fitted by Lorraine engines.

SECM (Amiot) Lutece :side-by-side two seat biplane.

SECM (Amiot) 12 BN.2: two seat night bimber.

SECM (Amiot) model-26 : two seat trainer aircraft.

Amiot-380 :long range four engined bomber to compete Bloch MB-162 bomber.

In old encyclopedia;
the Amiot-100 & 101 were single seat fighter monoplane projects.

And from my dear Jon,
The Amiot-180 BN.5 was five seat night bomber project for the
1933 competition,(also the LeO-300 and Bloch-200 were involved).
 

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Jemiba said:
"What's that contraption under the fuselage?"
It was a retractable gun position, generally called "dustbin", as could be
found in quite a number of ohter bombers of that period, too, not only
french ones, but also german, like the Ju 86, He 111 and even the bomber
versoin s of the good old Ju 52 .
Yes, I recognise it now. Fairly common on pre wwII bombers idd.
 

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hesham said:
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The Amiot-530 was four engined passenger transport project,
developed from Amiot-380.
Dear Hesham, this thread is so generic that it's doing my head in ??? . I've found a 3-view sketch of the Amiot 530 taken from the 15th February 1963 issue of Aviation Magazine. I don't know how accurate the sketch is......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Thank you my dear Caravellarella very much,

it is nice to know Amiot projects.
 

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Hi all,
I read in an old "le fana de l'aviation :
During december 1942 EngIneer Calvy was working on a study for
the amiot 530, 4 hispano engines. 44 passengers
weight 57.5 tons. span 58.6 m lenght 32 m
This project come from the amiot 380 AND THE AMIOT 410 TRANSPORT
Who know something about this AMIOT 410 ?
(on this article I see the same 3 view as here)
Thanks if you have an answer
 

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There were 3 Amiot 410 different projects (I am going to translate from "Le Trait d'Union" #130 of March-April 1990).

EDIT:
- The first 410 project is dated early 1938. Record version of the 400B4.
- The second 410 project is dated end of 1938. Stratospheric 4-engine (four Hispano 12Y-50/51 with supercharger Farman NCC-1, power each 1,150hp at 10,000m altitude). An official order was signed on January 24th 1939 and cancelled on April 27th 1940.
- The third 410 project is dated mid-1939. Bomber version of the 2nd 410, with same engines.
 

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Tophe said:
There were 3 Amiot 410 different projects (I am going to translate from "Le Trait d'Union" #130 of March-April 1990).

EDIT:
- The first 410 project is dated early 1938. Record version of the 400B4.
- The second 410 project is dated end of 1938. Stratospheric 4-engine (four Hispano 12Y-50/51 with supercharger Farman NCC-1, power each 1,150hp at 10,000m altitude). An official order was signed on January 24th 1939 and cancelled on April 27th 1940.
- The third 410 project is dated mid-1939. Bomber version of the 2nd 410, with same engines.
Please my dear Tophe,

could you tell us about Amiot projects ?,but notice that we know Model-170,
Model-360 and Model-380 projects
 

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hesham said:
could you tell us about Amiot projects ?,but notice that we know Model-170,
Model-360 and Model-380 projects
From Trait d'Union 130:
- Amiot 402: postal version of Amiot 371 designed in 1938, engines of 900hp, cancelled
- Amiot 400B4: pressurised version of Amiot 357 with 3 engines Hispano 12Y, the third one (inside the pressurised area) would have driven the superchargers for the two other engines (NC-150 solution like).
- Amiot 400B3: stratospheric twin-engine, 2 Hispano 12Y-89 of 1,200hp. Maximum bomb load: 1,200kg. Six machine-guns with automatic dispersal.
- Amiot 530: civilian 4-engine transport designed from the second Amiot 410. Span 46.8m Length 32.8m Total weight 57,500kg Four Hispano 24Z of 3,000hp driving contrarotating propellers. 40 passengers and crew of 6. Range 8,450km at 500km/h. At the end of the war, changed with 8 engines, 2 by 2 (either Hispano 12Z of 1,600hp or RR Griffon of 1,700hp). Cancelled.
From Trait d'Union 139:
- Amiot 180, 160 and 190: codes used for projects of the late 1920s with very thick wing, forefathers of the 140 family.
- Amiot E7 and E6: raid projects. The E7 had the wing of the 340/350, the E6 was a single-engine bomber with retracting undercarriage.
From Trait d'Union 170:
- (unknown code) early 1939 design of seaplane, transatlantic, with 8 diesel engines CLM Junkers of 500hp coupled 2 by 2 and driving contrarotating propellers.
 

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Excellent my dear Tophe;

I like Amiot projects very much,thank you,and the Amiot-180
was BN.5 (night bomber five seat project).
 

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Hi Tophe
Thanks again .............
I never hear something about the transatantic seaplane !!
A new question !
 

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hi Tophe
Do you know more about the amiot E6
if yes, thanks
 

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Damn, with you (we) never stop to discover new projects ! :eek: :)
 

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toura said:
hi Tophe
Do you know more about the amiot E6
Tophe said:
From Trait d'Union 139:
- Amiot E7 and E6: raid projects. The E7 had the wing of the 340/350, the E6 was a single-engine bomber with retracting undercarriage.
I can show the source, but it is not easy to translate. "dans des carènes saillantes" is something as "in protruding spats".
 

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Hi Tophe
Merci beaucoup...pas de probleme de traduction.
Au revoir
 

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Hi,


SECM 21 was developed from SECM 20 Lutece but the engine was never arrived
as schedule,so the aircraft was abandoned.


I said before the Amiot 100 and 101 was a fighters,that's wrong,the Amiot
Model-100 was two seat night bomber aircraft,powered by one 500 hp
Salmson 18 CNZ engine,and intended to compete in 1920 contest for
BN.2 category.


Amiot-150 was three engined transport monoplane project,powered by 3 350 hp
engines,was scheduled to take 14 passenger and cargo of 700 kg,with speed of
150 km/h and range 1000 km.


Amiot-160 and Amiot-170 were also developed as transport projects,the 160
powered by two 650 hp engines,the 150 and 170 were re-allocated after that to
anther aircraft.


http://fandavion.free.fr/amiot_felix.htm
 

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A transport project in profile form, taken from Le Trait d'Union N°154 (March-April 1994) and captioned as the "Amiot 150" (attachment #1).

Looking at the tail designation, I have a feeling it reads more like "Amiot 160"... Besides, the Amiot 150 designation was used for a real aircraft, a seaplane variant of the Amiot 143 (see attachments #2 and #3). Thoughts, anyone?
 

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Hi,


the Amiot 150 was allocated twice.
 

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The S.E.C.M.-12 ( SECM-12 ) Type BN.2 (night bomber, two-place) metallic biplane with 600 hp engine:
 

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The Amiot Type 23 was designed for tourism, navigator training, mail transport and airborne work ("travail aérien"). It was a three-seater with pilot at the front and two passengers seated side-by-side behind him. It could be fitted with various types of aerial cameras for vertical or oblique shooting.

Drawings below are for the Type 23. The first photo is from Flight and depicts the SECM XXIII tourer. Again, despite its resemblance I am not 100% sure it is the same aircraft, though in all likeliness it is. Engine looks different although cockpit arrangement is similar. Second photo didn't carry the Type number but obviously depicts the same aircraft.
 

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Another designation that seems to have been used TWICE by Amiot was the Type 110.
  • First use of that designation was for the Amiot 110 C.1, a parasol monoplane of all-metal structure with semi-cantilever wing. As exhibited at the 11th Paris Air Show, the plane was fabric-covered, but the final version was to be all-metal. Among the type's unique features were a special device which enabled the machine to reach speeds of 500 km/h in a dive, and jettisonable fuel engines patented by SECM and located at the bottom of the fuselage on either side.
  • Second aircraft to carry that designation was the Amiot 110 or SECM Type 110 all-metal patrol flying boat for the French Aéronavale, which had a single 650 hp Hispano-Suiza engine fitted in pusher mode on a thick mount atop the fuselage, immediately behind the pilot.
 

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Hi,


actually the second designation (110) was from Latham creation,and in 1929 when the two companies
amalgamated,SECM used the same number and never change it,but put a suffix "S" at the end of to
be Model-110S.
 

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hesham said:
actually the second designation (110) was from Latham creation,and in 1929 when the two companies
amalgamated,SECM used the same number and never change it,but put a suffix "S" at the end of to
be Model-110S.
Thanks for the clarification! The trouble arose from the fact I have an advert for the S.E.C.M. 110 with no "S" behind it!
 

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The Amiot 144 was not a project, but a single prototype without the nose turret but with a retractable gear. It first flew on January 18, 1936 and resulted in an order for 25 aircraft in September 1936 (eventually the order was modified to procure the same amount of Amiot 143 types instead).
 

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Very interesting the Amiot 144. How different it looks. Thanks for the pictures.
 

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From Le FANA No 41,


here is the Amiot-370 drawings of 1937,1939 and 1940.
 

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A beautiful aircraft. Here is a link to an amazing metal scale model (1947) of the Amiot 370:
http://aircollection.pagesperso-orange.fr/AMIOT370.htm
 

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Also from Le FANA magazine,


here is a drawings to Type-170,Type-360 and Type-380.
 

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Alcides said:
Very interesting the Amiot 144. How different it looks. Thanks for the pictures.
Glad you enjoyed these. As a sidenote, the Amiot 144 variant was to be powered by two 1000 hp supercharged Lorraine "Eider" engines.
 
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