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I'm new here. I don't know if this is appropriate because it is not directly about an aircraft project. There are so-called aircraft caverns in different countries. There have been various projects on this subject in Switzerland, and some have been implemented, some not. I might upload something about it here.
 
Switzerland yes ... also Yugoslavia, Sweden, China, etc.

I'm new here. I don't know if this is appropriate because it is not directly about an aircraft project. There are so-called aircraft caverns in different countries. There have been various projects on this subject in Switzerland, and some have been implemented, some not. I might upload something about it here.
Here are some Pictures from Swiss Air Force aircraft caverns, it shows the entrance of the T-shaped Cavern at Ambri AFB. The aircraft cavern at Turtmann AFB who was reused as M113 storage. Buochs AFB Aircraft cavern with F-5 Tiger, Mirage IIIRS and BAe Hawk. Alpnach AFB Cavern with Hawker Hunter & Hawker Hunter Trainer. An interesting one is the (old version) of Meiringen AFB caverne with two USAF A-7 at the time when the Swiss Air Force tested the Vought A-7 and the Dassaut Milan. Also, some Pictures of the building of the 3rd "Flugzeug Stollen" at Meiringen AB who made it possible to roll in and out the F/A-18 without cran-handling. An at least the only (who I knew) public photo from the inside of the F/A-18 cavern at Meiringen (If Switzerland will buy the F-35A , this cavern will be used by the F-3 2041645800099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2045763870099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2064779420099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2102831870099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2141585970099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2164893060099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2180410870099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2217975090099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2251492370099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2314230100099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2317723180099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2380493250099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2401277610099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2403459420099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2417919520099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2436049160099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2499166940099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2605014490099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2616960940099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 2672467900099855117S600x600Q85.jpg 5A).
 
Switzerland yes ... also Yugoslavia, Sweden, China, etc.

I'm new here. I don't know if this is appropriate because it is not directly about an aircraft project. There are so-called aircraft caverns in different countries. There have been various projects on this subject in Switzerland, and some have been implemented, some not. I might upload something about it here.
Here are some Pictures from Swiss Air Force aircraft caverns, it shows the entrance of the T-shaped Cavern at Ambri AFB. The aircraft cavern at Turtmann AFB who was reused as M113 storage. Buochs AFB Aircraft cavern with F-5 Tiger, Mirage IIIRS and BAe Hawk. Alpnach AFB Cavern with Hawker Hunter & Hawker Hunter Trainer. An interesting one is the (old version) of Meiringen AFB caverne with two USAF A-7 at the time when the Swiss Air Force tested the Vought A-7 and the Dassaut Milan. Also, some Pictures of the building of the 3rd "Flugzeug Stollen" at Meiringen AB who made it possible to roll in and out the F/A-18 without cran-handling. An at least the only (who I knew) public photo from the inside of the F/A-18 cavern at Meiringen (If Switzerland will buy the F-35A , this cavern will be used by the F-3View attachment 671575View attachment 671576View attachment 671577View attachment 671578View attachment 671579View attachment 671580View attachment 671581View attachment 671582View attachment 671583View attachment 671584View attachment 671585View attachment 671586View attachment 671587View attachment 671588View attachment 671589View attachment 671590View attachment 671591View attachment 671592View attachment 671593View attachment 6715945A).

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Switzerland yes ... also Yugoslavia, Sweden, China, etc.

I'm new here. I don't know if this is appropriate because it is not directly about an aircraft project. There are so-called aircraft caverns in different countries. There have been various projects on this subject in Switzerland, and some have been implemented, some not. I might upload something about it here.
Here are some Pictures from Swiss Air Force aircraft caverns, it shows the entrance of the T-shaped Cavern at Ambri AFB. The aircraft cavern at Turtmann AFB who was reused as M113 storage. Buochs AFB Aircraft cavern with F-5 Tiger, Mirage IIIRS and BAe Hawk. Alpnach AFB Cavern with Hawker Hunter & Hawker Hunter Trainer. An interesting one is the (old version) of Meiringen AFB caverne with two USAF A-7 at the time when the Swiss Air Force tested the Vought A-7 and the Dassaut Milan. Also, some Pictures of the building of the 3rd "Flugzeug Stollen" at Meiringen AB who made it possible to roll in and out the F/A-18 without cran-handling. An at least the only (who I knew) public photo from the inside of the F/A-18 cavern at Meiringen (If Switzerland will buy the F-35A , this cavern will be used by the F-3View attachment 671575View attachment 671576View attachment 671577View attachment 671578View attachment 671579View attachment 671580View attachment 671581View attachment 671582View attachment 671583View attachment 671584View attachment 671585View attachment 671586View attachment 671587View attachment 671588View attachment 671589View attachment 671590View attachment 671591View attachment 671592View attachment 671593View attachment 6715945A).
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Switzerland yes ... also Yugoslavia, Sweden, China, etc.

I'm new here. I don't know if this is appropriate because it is not directly about an aircraft project. There are so-called aircraft caverns in different countries. There have been various projects on this subject in Switzerland, and some have been implemented, some not. I might upload something about it here.
Here are some Pictures from Swiss Air Force aircraft caverns, it shows the entrance of the T-shaped Cavern at Ambri AFB. The aircraft cavern at Turtmann AFB who was reused as M113 storage. Buochs AFB Aircraft cavern with F-5 Tiger, Mirage IIIRS and BAe Hawk. Alpnach AFB Cavern with Hawker Hunter & Hawker Hunter Trainer. An interesting one is the (old version) of Meiringen AFB caverne with two USAF A-7 at the time when the Swiss Air Force tested the Vought A-7 and the Dassaut Milan. Also, some Pictures of the building of the 3rd "Flugzeug Stollen" at Meiringen AB who made it possible to roll in and out the F/A-18 without cran-handling. An at least the only (who I knew) public photo from the inside of the F/A-18 cavern at Meiringen (If Switzerland will buy the F-35A , this cavern will be used by the F-3View attachment 671575View attachment 671576View attachment 671577View attachment 671578View attachment 671579View attachment 671580View attachment 671581View attachment 671582View attachment 671583View attachment 671584View attachment 671585View attachment 671586View attachment 671587View attachment 671588View attachment 671589View attachment 671590View attachment 671591View attachment 671592View attachment 671593View attachment 6715945A).
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Cavern airfield
A cavern airfield is a cavern-like aircraft hangar (German "Kavernenflugplatz") was a project of the Swiss Air Force at the beginning of the Cold War for use / start of combat aircraft from in a protected mountain air base.

History​

Shortly after the World War II and the beginning of the Cold War and a possible escalation between the nuclear superpowers of the East West blocks, the Swiss Air Force began to develop concepts to, as in a case of conflict, defense their neutrality towards the superpowers. A permanent occupation of Switzerland was feared but, more likely Switzerland could be pulled in as a walk through marshland in the fighting. It was clear that air superiority is important and military airfields are a first targeted in a conflict. Simultaneously with the introduction of jet aircraft DH-100 "Vampire" and DH-112 "Venom" the Swiss Air Force began with the planning of this project and designed it for this aircraft types

Operation​

It was planned that the entrance opening is located at the height of the mountain valley . Through this entrance, the aircraft should enter the facility. The aircraft should either use wartime landing strips (road sections, of the later built Gotthard motorway) for landing. also an air traffic tower should be build next to this landing strip to coordinate the landings and maneuvering of the aircraft on the ground. But also the transportation by military trucks or railroad was planned (the aircraft must be disassembled for transport in the main components: fuselage, wings and tail). In the mountain at the height of the valley floor is the command tunnel, with the communication and command equipment, assembly- maintenance line, briefing, debriefing rooms, sanitary, kitchen, living and sleeping quarters, spare parts warehouse workshops, accommodations, fuel tanks, weapons storage. Diesel engines for the power generator. The pre-flight preparation should be done here to.

Then the aircraft are brought with a lift inside the mountain to the level of the runway. At this level, in the mountain, are the lift drive unit, water storage, loading and ventilation systems, the runway with its blastdoor and the launch tower housed. The ventilation systems would have to make, by suction intake ducts, for sufficient air / oxygen and immediate withdrawal of the exhaust gases. The water tanks served not only to supply the facility with water but to also create a water mist extinguishing with enough pressure in case of fire. For starting the main wheels and the nose wheel are held by three sunken U-profiles on course so this would have prevented the aircraft from colliding with the walls of the runway during the takeoff run in the tunnel.


Problems​

Various points took the project in question. Firstly, the high costs that would be caused by this massive tunnel system who would have been necessary in the mountain. During the excavation in the valley is not a technical problem, the creation of the lift shafts in these quantities and also the construction of the runway inside the mountain in height and the opening in the rock face hold technical risks. The start of the engines and the acceleration inside a "tunnel" with all the risk of fire, false start, hitting the tunnel wall and finally wind gusts, crosswinds when leaving the opening in the rock wall, seemed the project as too dangerous. Also became apparent that the next generation of fighter aircraft which would come in service by the Swiss Air Force (Hawker Hunter, P-16) were greater as the Vampires and Venoms. This would have made this system unusable or causing massive enlargement of the dimensions and the associated costs.

Geography​

The wartime landing strip was planet south of Schattdorf in Schachen, the "Schwerverkehrszentrum (Heavy traffic center) or on the E35 motorway between Schattdorf and the motel "My Stop", the entrance of the facility would have been approximately at the location where today the federal company "RUAG Environment" is. The whole facility been housed inside the mountain Schilt. Been the starting opening would been built in the rock wall above Rinacht, which would have permitted a safe flight corridor over the "Schiltwald" (Schilt forrest).


Derivation​

Due to the above-mentioned problems, it never came to build this facility. Nevertheless, it was groundbreaking for the less elaborate Aircraft cavern of the Swiss Air Force who were built at various military airfields later. Also the idea of using streets as wartime runways was considered a few years later when building the Swiss motorway network.piece of land owned by the government, that was provided for this facility is nowadays still in Federal ownership and the location of the RUAG Division of Recycling.
 
I thought Serbia had a large number of "Cavern Airfields" as well. I would love to see some pictures if anyone has any. Thanks!
 
North Korea has always been said to have numerous such well-reinforced facilities.
 
The cavern hangar of Pantelleria was realized inside the extinct volcano of "Kuddia Glinto", the project was started in the mid 30's and completed in 1939. The hangar was designed by famed Eng. Pier Luigi Nervi and it is long 340 meters, with a width of 26 meters and height of 18 meters.

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@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?
 
@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?

Yes the purpose of the cranes is to move aircraft from and to free spots. If i remeber right there are 4 such cranes . But the crane in the back end of the of the cavern is not only used to move the aircraft. It is also used to lift the aircraft just a little bit up to change the wheels & brakes. This is much faster than jack the aircraft up with the hydraulic handpump jacks.
 
@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?

Yes the purpose of the cranes is to move aircraft from and to free spots. If i remeber right there are 4 such cranes . But the crane in the back end of the of the cavern is not only used to move the aircraft. It is also used to lift the aircraft just a little bit up to change the wheels & brakes. This is much faster than jack the aircraft up with the hydraulic handpump jacks.
In the "F/A-18" cavern at Meiringen AFB are no cranes because it is made from two tunnels next to each other with conections between them so that the aircraft can roll in on one side, get parked in one of the conections and roll out trough the other tunnel. I don't knew if the cavern at Ambri has cranes, it is said that that one is a T-shaped cavern.
 
@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?

Yes the purpose of the cranes is to move aircraft from and to free spots. If i remeber right there are 4 such cranes . But the crane in the back end of the of the cavern is not only used to move the aircraft. It is also used to lift the aircraft just a little bit up to change the wheels & brakes. This is much faster than jack the aircraft up with the hydraulic handpump jacks.
In the end cavern operations were quite similiar to the aircraft carrier hangar operation.
 
The cavern hangar of Pantelleria was realized inside the extinct volcano of "Kuddia Glinto", the project was started in the mid 30's and completed in 1939. The hangar was designed by famed Eng. Pier Luigi Nervi and it is long 340 meters, with a width of 26 meters and height of 18 meters.
Sounds very "You Only Live Twice" like...
 
For those who read the venerable "Buck Danny" comic, if i remember correctly there was an episode (was it Le retour des Tigres volants?) where a mysterious hostile squadron is based on a south pacific island, hangared inside caves - originally built by the Japanese. I wonder if the Swiss caves or the Island of Pantelleria were the inspiration for this plot.
 
@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?

Yes the purpose of the cranes is to move aircraft from and to free spots. If i remeber right there are 4 such cranes . But the crane in the back end of the of the cavern is not only used to move the aircraft. It is also used to lift the aircraft just a little bit up to change the wheels & brakes. This is much faster than jack the aircraft up with the hydraulic handpump jacks.
In the end cavern operations were quite similiar to the aircraft carrier hangar operation.

Can't remember which WWII navy hanged aircraft on the hangars ceilings ? the IJN ?
 
@FFA P-16 , is the purpose of the cranes simply to move aircraft at the back of the queue that might be otherwise "trapped"? or is it used to increase the number of aircraft that can be stored (kind of a 'two-story' system)?

Yes the purpose of the cranes is to move aircraft from and to free spots. If i remeber right there are 4 such cranes . But the crane in the back end of the of the cavern is not only used to move the aircraft. It is also used to lift the aircraft just a little bit up to change the wheels & brakes. This is much faster than jack the aircraft up with the hydraulic handpump jacks.
In the end cavern operations were quite similiar to the aircraft carrier hangar operation.

Can't remember which WWII navy hanged aircraft on the hangars ceilings ? the IJN ?
Italy implemented such solution on Carrier Aquila, even if never entrered in service, since the Reggiane 2001 fighters didn't had folding wings.
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Many WW2 era carriers of the USN had provision for storing aircraft in the ceiling of the hangar deck. As far as I know it was for stowage, as there was no moving crane gantry for it.
Must be quite a sight when the carrier is pitching and rolling in heavy seas...
 
Can't remember which WWII navy hanged aircraft on the hangars ceilings ? the IJN ?
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It was an elegant peacetime idea, but they tended to fall down in heavy combat!
When the Ranger, Yorktown, and Wasp were design the navy wanted to be able to store 2 months of replacement planes on board. They had figured that 25% of the air group's planes would have to be replaced each month. The Essex was designed with a 25% spare ratio of stored planes. This was to allow for that deck above the hanger and below the flight deck. When they started having CVE's as replenishment carriers with the fleet oilers the stored planes became even less of an issue. The navy had planned in the 1930's to keep the fleet at sea for long periods.
 
I have some photos of the Swedish base at Säve Airport, then in use as Gothenburg City Airport. Back in 2005 a group of us flew there on Ryanair purely to visit the Aeroseum. It was a good day out and they kindly let us sit in the J35 Draken :cool:

Sadly my pics are blurry having been taken on an early digital camera but you'll get the idea. There was a WW2 underground hangar cut into a cliff side and in the 1960s a proper underground nuclear bunker was built. This had an entrance onto the runway and an entrance onto the nearby highway as an alternative.
The air force left in the 90s but there was still a military presence in the form of the Swedish Home Guard and a rescue helicopter squadron.
 

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There was also such caverns in Albania, near Tirana, at Gjadër Air Base.





 

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Albanian madman Enver Hoxha (whatever the correct name spelling) had a deep rooted obession with bunkers. He made Albania the country in the world with the most bunkers - the total number is completely jaw-dropping.
Then again Hoxha seems to have been the living embodiment of The Simpsons Hans Moleman. Maybe that's the explanation for that man obession with holes in the ground ?

Crap - 170 000 bunkers : 1 per 11 inhabitant; six per every single squared kilometer of Albania.

Madmen truly have weird obessions.
 
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Albania the country in the world with the most bunkers - the total number is completely jaw-dropping.


Crap - 170 000 bunkers : 1 per 11 inhabitant; six per every single squared kilometer of Albania.

Madmen truly have weird obessions.
I wish we had that many over here in Dixie (tornado) Alley.

Those would be great server-farm locations….seed vaults…
 
Impressive, I hope that the base is designed to receive the F-14A/AM Tomcat, the Sukhoi "Fencer" and the future Su-35.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UNorcZ2aQ
This vid is a bit longer.
From the sounds of it this facility is intended for the su-35 force.
I think that this is very likely just the beginning of the air force getting some very long overdue major capability upgrades,both in aircraft and facilities.
 
Not much chance they can fit Su-35 here. Phantoms barely fit in the entrance door and it's a feat of prowess from their pilots that the one we see entering the entrance tunnel can go so fast on his own power. I would rather think that, in reality, aircraft are towed in instead and what we are given to see is a stunt.
 
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