Aerospaceplane (1958-1963)

[Archibald]

Atempt to make a SSTO with a LACE system.
air coming from the intake was pumped in tanks, oxygen was separated from the rest of the air, then went to fuel the engine (burning with hydrogen).
First atempt at LACE / ACES long before HOTOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospaceplane

I would really want to see some pics of the contenders (if any)

 

[Orionblamblam]

The most recent edition of Jenkins Shuttle book had a big section on Aerospaceplane.

 

[Archibald]

Hemmm... any hope of seeing some pics here ? :-[

 

[Orionblamblam]

There is always hope.

 

[Archibald]

 

[Orionblamblam]

Set scanner resolution to "Tantalize!"

 

[Orionblamblam]

The rest.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Image resolution intentionally set low because:
1) Jenkins is a good feller
2) The book is readily available for purchase
3) There's a lot more neat stuff in it
4) And it didn't sell near as well as it should have.

 

[Archibald]

Ok, I understand! Once you mention the book, I knew htat there would be some "limits". That's perfect like that, just wanted to see the pics to have an idea of what the concepts look like

 

[JC Carbonel]

"And it didn't sell near as well as it should have."

maybe because it is an updated version of the previous book with no allowance made for the punkies like me who bought the first issue ?

In a similar vein I have the 3 different issues of "X-planes" . Not because I like it but because no one is interested in buying from me the two earlier editions which I bought as soon as they were released...

Updating a book could be a good or a bad idea ....depending on wether you have bought the first issue or not.

(obviously this is going completely outside the topic, I know !!!!)

JCC

 

[flateric]

One of Aerospaceplane concepts

 

[flateric]

maybe because it is an updated version of the previous book with no allowance made for the punkies like me who bought the first issue ?

Both X-planes and Space Shuttle books have significant add-ons (seems that first X-planes edition loses some very important info on X-45, yes? ))) and differencies, I must say as owner of three/two editions, respectively.

 

[Matej]

Something similar

 

[Archibald]

I heard that Marquardt went as far as testing an engine (or at least , a demonstrator).
what were the problems exactly with the system ?

 

[Orionblamblam]

I heard that Marquardt went as far as testing an engine (or at least , a demonstrator).
what were the problems exactly with the system ?

In the end... physics and complexity. An SSTO airbreathing spaceplane is something at the bleeding edge of technology and materials science *today,* in 1963 the idea was virtually impossible.

Marquardt tested a large number of engines, from ramjets to ejector ramjets to supercharged turboejectorramscramjets. A lot of progress was made, but nothing flight-like and of the scale needed for ASP was made.

 

[Archibald]

Justement... there was also the RJ-176 SERJ intented for the X-15 in 1969 (this link http://www.up-ship.com/apr/extras/serjx15.htm)
As you can see there's a pic of the engine. So, what is exactly in this photo ? a subscale demonstrator ? a truly fonctional engine ?

I'm very interested by this airbreathing engine X-15, so if there's more information available somewhere ... : ;D

 

[Orionblamblam]

Boeing had a number of ASP designs.

 

[Orionblamblam]

A few more Boeing ASP concepts.

 

[Orionblamblam]

So, what is exactly in this photo ? a subscale demonstrator ?

As it says. Small and overweight, but proof of concept.

 

[Stormbreaker]

Could someone please let have the exact title of Jenkin's Shuttle Book and perhaps the publisher?

I'd really like to get hold of a copy of this book, but I'm not sure which is the right title on Amazon - or if its currently in print.

Thanks!

 

[Antonio]

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Shuttle-National-Transportation-Missions/dp/0963397451/sr=1-1/qid=1171574484/ref=sr_1_1/002-1653921-7802411?ie=UTF8&s=books

That's the book. It is a comprehensive masterpiece with tons of unbuilt designs. I have the first edition from 1992-93 which covers from the very beggining to STS-50.

 

[Stormbreaker]

Many thanks pometablava,

Much appreciated.

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

Marquardt tested a large number of engines, from ramjets to ejector ramjets to supercharged turboejectorramscramjets.

Supercharged turboejectorramscramjets? Do they have flux capacitors?

 

[Orionblamblam]

Aerospikes, maybe?

External expansion ramps. Think of them as upside-down X-30 NASP tail sections.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Can anyone give me a drawing to Boeing Model-979 spacecraft ?.
please.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Can anyone give me a drawing to Boeing Model-979 spacecraft ?

Yup. Got a whole bunch of 'em, in quite good detail. Had a whole APR article on the 979, in fact. Not an "aerospaceplane," though, or even a spacecraft. Winged Saturn V first stage.

 

[hesham]

Thanks.

 

[Archibald]

Can anyone give me a drawing to Boeing Model-979 spacecraft ?

Yup. Got a whole bunch of 'em, in quite good detail. Had a whole APR article on the 979, in fact. Not an "aerospaceplane," though, or even a spacecraft. Winged Saturn V first stage.

Is it linked to early shuttle proposals (1969-1971) ? I've red (on M. Lindroos website) that Boeing proposed an ET Shuttle (ET= External tank ) Shuttle on top of a winged Saturn V rocket stage. There was also unwinged / parachute/ retrorockets variants to splashdown (crash down ? ;D) on the Atlantic...

Me want to know

 

[Orionblamblam]

I've red (on M. Lindroos website) that Boeing proposed an ET Shuttle (ET= External tank ) Shuttle on top of a winged Saturn V rocket stage.

That's the one. To be slightly more precise, the 979 was *one* of those designs. Winged S-IC's were proposed by Boeing, Lockheed, NAR, McD, Grumman, Pan Am (yes, Pan Am) and NASA itself. Spent last night scanning in just such things.

 

[Archibald]

Pan Am (yes, Pan Am)

So Clarke and Kubrick were right when imagining Pan Am spaceplanes ? ;D

I really have to buy this Orion kit at the shop one day :

 

[PMN1]

Can anyone give me a drawing to Boeing Model-979 spacecraft ?

Yup. Got a whole bunch of 'em, in quite good detail. Had a whole APR article on the 979, in fact. Not an "aerospaceplane," though, or even a spacecraft. Winged Saturn V first stage.

Is it linked to early shuttle proposals (1969-1971) ? I've red (on M. Lindroos website) that Boeing proposed an ET Shuttle (ET= External tank ) Shuttle on top of a winged Saturn V rocket stage. There was also unwinged / parachute/ retrorockets variants to splashdown (crash down ? ;D) on the Atlantic...

Me want to know

Three good sites

http://www.astronautix.com/

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/category-view.asp

http://uplink.space.com/ubbthreads.php

 

[Sundog]

Bought the Jenkins book, based on the info provided in this forum. I can't wait for it to arrive. ;D

 

[Barrington Bond]

Martin Astroplane nuclear - liquid nitrogen propelled. MHD powerplant- magnetohydrodynamic plasma accelerator.
From Missiles and Rockets 4 September 1961.

 

[flateric]

In Jenkins Space Shuttle book re-drawn top illustrations make me thing of folding 'batwing' - am I dreaming?

 

[Barrington Bond]

It certainly does!

Regards,
Barry

 

[KJ_Lesnick]

Which is more effective in terms of thrust, weight, and specific impulse... an RBCC/Turborocket? LACE? or TBCC?


BTW: Regarding the Martin MHD design... did anything come of that? Or did it just not work?


KJ_Lesnick

 

[Barrington Bond]

I don't know any more than this...

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

Barrington, you rock! Been looking for something like three years now. I bought Jenkin's '96 edition secondhand in 2005 and the Astroplane caught my eye. I did Google, but I got nothing. So I thank you.

Now if I could just get the last page or two, the section on the HL-20. Seems the previous owner probably didnt want to part with it. So Im missing that section. You get what you pay for.

 

[flateric]

Republic Aerospaceplane

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://history.nasa.gov/sp4232-part2.pdf